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How many people look down on those of a different religion? Do you Christians think less of Pagans? Do you Pagans think less of Muslims? Do you Hindus think less of the Buddhists? Let me know!
I know that this is a controversial topic and I would like to ask that people remain civil with their posts. Thank you! :cat:
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I only look down on the ones that force themselves onto other people. :angry7: They know who they are.
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I wish people would be more open minded... Most of them say they have this strong Faith in their beliefs, God(s), Jesus(s), Lord(s), Buddah(s), Allah(s) etc...so what would be the harm in listening to other possibilities/theories...? ::)
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I wish people would be more open minded... Most of them say they have this strong Faith in their beliefs, God(s), Jesus(s), Lord(s), Buddah(s), Allah(s) etc...so what would be the harm in listening to other possibilities/theories...? ::)
It wouldn't be a problem if at some point, the one's doing all the talking would try listening as well. I don't see too many of those Jehovah's Witness people knocking on my door to ask my what I believe in.
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so what would be the harm in listening to other possibilities/theories...?
Ignorant people. Some people don't understand this concept in the least-- it's like speaking an alien language to them. It is impossible to get them out of their box and see reality. Some people get so far into their beliefs that they will kill others who have different opinions or beliefs. Unfortunately this has been the case for mankinds entire history and it still goes on today.
I have no problem with spirituality. Sharing what you believe with someone else who is open-minded is one of the most satisfying experiences; especially when it makes them or you think about their/your own beliefs and what can be integrated. But for the most part I think it should be kept to yourself until you know someone more. Far too many people end up forcing their nonsensical opinions down peoples' throats and the people line up to get thrown into the machine.
I'm agnostic and look down on all religions. It may sound cruel, but when you understand that it does not just influence your spiritual side and influences your political, social, sexual, and moral sides, it can turn people into close-minded ethnocentric idiots who won't accept anything that's not their religion. Pathetic.
"There's no problem with having your head in the clouds as long as your feet are on the ground"
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if its okay for ME to have my own beliefs,
then it should be perfectly okay for YOU to have
your own too.
that's how i try to look at things, even when i disagree
with others beliefs. its theirs -- not mine -- why should
i be worried about it?
to each his own.
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Number 1 thing is TO BELIVE IN GOD!!!
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I do judge but i dont judge people by their religion. Besides even though i judge people its not like i try to be mean to them. the golden rule: treat everyone the way you want to be treated.
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I try not to, but I have to admit I do judge those with religious beliefs. I'm harder on Christians than on any other religious group though. I find them to be very pushy with their beliefs as well as close-minded. I had a conversation with my friend on religion (she's Christian) and I couldn't help getting annoyed that she couldn't give me clear explanations and her only reasons (if she even had any) were reasonings given to her by the her school she was learning from, which was from the Bible, a simple book. Overall though, I find people with religious beliefs are brain-washed to some extent. I don't care if a person believe in god or what not, they can believe what they want, but it doesn't seem sincere when they have a group behind them telling them what they believe. My remark on "brainwashing" might sound over the top, but it's true. An example is when a child is taken to church. The parents didn't ask the child. A child (a blank slate) is put in an environment and is told what to believe and told to do something that should be within their right to decide for themselves. But, because the religious beliefs have warped the parents into believing they are right and they decide for their child.
I don't affiliate myself with any religion as you can see. My parents are Buddhists and not once did my parents or anyone attempt to persuade me any other way. They gave me awareness of the fact that they were Buddhists, but never chose anything for me. As for beliefs, I believe in people and the world I live in, nothing else. :wave: (I chose harsh words, but peace and love)
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Being a member of one of the many Cultures that have been victim of genocidal practices by followers of one religion in the name of manifest destiny and the Doctrine of Discovery, I find it almost impossible to not harbor some suspicion of the morals and motives of said religious adherents.
I simply can not comprehend why people refuse to accept that others just wish to exercise the right to be who and what they are without anyone trying to force them to assimilate into the status quo.
Everyone has the right to their chosen lifestyle as long as that lifestyle does not infringe on an others right to be who they are.
To the haters, I would stress.....lifestyles are not contagious.....if its not for you, fine, but you wont catch it, so let them be.
Which brings us to "do unto others......" if you wouldn't appreciate someone from an different religious discipline trying to force their traditions down your throat, don't do it to them.
I think what it all boils down to is, Creator put this beautiful world here for all of us no matter who we are, so you do you and I'll do me and lets try and be a bit more civil towards one an other for the next 500+ years than we have for the past 500.
The future belongs to our future generations, lets give them peace and unity despite our differences.
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Number 1 thing is TO BELIVE IN GOD!!!
See that's a problem for me. To me that's forcing your opinion - to say God you are talking about the GOD of the bible and excluding hundreds of other of religions.
I do not judge, but as an atheist I do not want to be told "have a blessed day" or "you're in my prayers." Thanks for the concern, but its just as easy to say "Have a great day" or "you're in my thoughts" and NOT force religion on me. To each his own - I wont judge you for your religion, just keep religion out of the discussion with me :BangHead: :thumbsup:
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To each his own - I wont judge you for your religion, just keep religion out of the discussion with me :BangHead: :thumbsup:
[/quote]Dude......is someone forcing you into this thread?
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I don't. I live in Utah and there are about 4 LDS churches just near my house. I certainly don't have anything against Mormons my problem is that the religon seems forced on some of those who aren't.
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I wish people would be more open minded... Most of them say they have this strong Faith in their beliefs, God(s), Jesus(s), Lord(s), Buddah(s), Allah(s) etc...so what would be the harm in listening to other possibilities/theories...? ::)
I don`t force anyone to trust in God, that will be your job to put your trust in him. You have to remember if your going to bring up conversations. There is always going to be people to Defend are Great God. I love my God and always will, if you want to know more about God just ask. Don`t cast judgement on other people that do trust in God.
That in itself is pushing your religion. It is YOUR job to trust in YOUR god. Not mine. Don't tell me what my job is. Thank you.
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I just dont get it!!!
We get slammed just like this because we generally wont share our Spirituality with outsiders.
WTF???
You only want what you are told you cant have or what?
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I don`t force anyone to trust in God, that will be your job to put your trust in him.
I already have a job!!!
Don`t cast judgement on other people that do trust in God.
Judging from a lot of previous posters, I can probably say we wouldn't if the religious would just shut up about it.
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God is not a religion but i am a christian and no i do not judge
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I don`t force anyone to trust in God, that will be your job to put your trust in him.
Putting my trust in an invisible man in the sky is about as plausible as having an imaginary friend as a designated driver.
Why does it have to be our job to trust in YOUR god? If that's true for your god what about the other ones? What makes your god so much greater then others? So our job can't be to trust in the other gods? What if someone told you the same thing about the god of a different religion? Hey dexterjrh, not forcing or anything but it's your job to trust in Shiva. Now go out there and work it! Do you accept that? Or are you just as annoyed when "your god" is replaced by someone elses?
I feel that certain religions are a lot like urban legends. Like if you drink soda and pop rocks your stomach will explode, but more like if you don't believe in "jesus" your soul will explode. If you don't follow something bad will happen to you. What kind of religious tactic is that? If I feel it is the right way for me to follow then I should be allowed to follow it, I shouldn't be scared into it. (Or killed because I refuse either)
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Scared straight religion.
That is a good point.....If your spouse or S.O. threatened you with pain, suffering, death, eternal damnation etc, would you love them more and feel you were superior to others who say he is abusive, or would you, call the cops, kick their *bleep* to the curb and get a restraining order?
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why should I judge anyone. they have their own way of thinking and I have my was of thinking. Just like I don't judge people on their religion I wouldn't want them to judge me.
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I don't judge. To each their own. Everyone is different in their own right and free to pursue their religion as they see fit. I don't care for people that do judge. Everyone has the right to believe or not believe in which ever religion they were raised in or that they choose to follow. What ever gets you through day and keeps you at peace with your God.
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I was raised Roman Catholic, now I believe in this vague metaphysical notion of 'nature'. To me, the point of religion is to seek out a purpose behind our existence and explain the world around us. For that reason, I believe it's a completely personal thing - what provides comfort and spiritual satisfaction to one is not guaranteed to do the same for another. There's countless different paths to the same thing.
Like most others here, my problem is with extremists. You're going to hell if you don't accept Jesus as your saviour. Death to those who oppose Islam. That sort of bollocks. This intolerance only breeds more intolerance - not to mention inherently hypocritical: so much for loving thy neighbour as thyself.
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I think it is wrong to judge someone for what they believe. There are so many different religions that we can't really be 100% sure that yours is the right one. So I try not to judge others for their beliefs.
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:angel11: Tolerance is the key word. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and religious practices as long as they do not hurt themselves or others.
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:angel11: Tolerance is the key word. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and religious practices as long as they do not hurt themselves or others.
Have you ever heard of the SunDance Ceremony?(not very likely(google)not for the faint of heart)
I think I am very entitled to practice this Ceremony as well if I choose to.
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I cannot judge, for I am a sinner just like everyone else, no one is better than another, while you might be doing something wrong, i could point it out, but then I am doing something completely different wrong, maybe it wasn't the same thing you were doing. Lets say I judge and say you are prideful, that is judging, then I turn right around and get jealous over something, see, we are all sinners, doesn't mean we all sin the same.
God gives us His Mercy and Grace and forgives us through Jesus Christ on the Cross, God looks at us, and now see's the Blood of Jesus which cleansed us, how would it be right for me to turn around and say to someone you are not clean? I was not either.
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so what would be the harm in listening to other possibilities/theories...?
Ignorant people. Some people don't understand this concept in the least-- it's like speaking an alien language to them. It is impossible to get them out of their box and see reality. Some people get so far into their beliefs that they will kill others who have different opinions or beliefs. Unfortunately this has been the case for mankinds entire history and it still goes on today.
I have no problem with spirituality. Sharing what you believe with someone else who is open-minded is one of the most satisfying experiences; especially when it makes them or you think about their/your own beliefs and what can be integrated. But for the most part I think it should be kept to yourself until you know someone more. Far too many people end up forcing their nonsensical opinions down peoples' throats and the people line up to get thrown into the machine.
I'm agnostic and look down on all religions. It may sound cruel, but when you understand that it does not just influence your spiritual side and influences your political, social, sexual, and moral sides, it can turn people into close-minded ethnocentric idiots who won't accept anything that's not their religion. Pathetic.
"There's no problem with having your head in the clouds as long as your feet are on the ground"
I pretty much agree completely with this post. I am agnostic and feel that people who are slaves to their religion, it effects how they deal with everything in their daily lives and they are closed minded to anything that goes against their belief system. I grew up in a Catholic household and deal with near weakly abuse about how I should return to God or else burn in Hell for eternity. Oh, joy I get to go someplace I don't even believe exists. However, somehow despite all I put up with, I still consider myself very open about people and their religions. If someone who is religious can show me the same respect by not trying to "Show me the way to God" or damning me then I'll give them the same respect and open-mindedness in return. I can accept people who need religion in their lives so long as they can accept me for NOT needing it to live a happy, healthy, productive life.
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Everyone judges something everyday. We judge whom will be our friends. We judge clothes. We judge various services.
Some things are obvious and not judgement, that's just the way it is.
When Jesus said, "Judge not lest ye be judged" He is not telling us not to recognize the truth from an error. Later on in the verse, Jesus said,
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves." How would you know they were false prophets--if you didn't recognize them or discern that they were false. This is a case where you judge whether they are true or not. How can you tell? By the Spirit of God.
Jesus further said, "You shall know them by their fruits...Every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth corrupt fruit."
"Wherefore by their fruits, you shall know them."
Jesus is not saying it is wrong to correct someone, but the key is in how the correction is done. He would that if a person had to correct someone, for them to do it in love. However, if it is done with a critical spirit--that is not love and that overcritical person should first look at their own shortcomings. You cannot rationalize your guilt and wrong deeds, but condemn someone else for theirs in the next breath.
For those who scorn the words of life that Christians have or take the time to share with them, Jesus said, Do not cast your pearl before swine.
Proverbs 23:9 says, "Do not speak to a fool for he will scorn the wisdom of your words." There were some scavenger dogs that entered into the gates of
Jerusalem, and these hungry stray dogs growled at those who walked by and at those who fed them. (IVP Commentary)
For Christians, as we continue to speak the word of God to those that do not believe--at times this is what we receive. People "growling" at us.
What does Jesus say, "Shake the dust off your feet."
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For Christians, as we continue to speak the word of God to those that do not believe--at times this is what we receive. People "growling" at us.
Rightfully so. Everyone knows you're there. We can't drive down a street without seeing seven Christian churches in a 2 mile span. The religion is consistently in the faces of everyone, every where they turn. We're not ignorant of your presence.
We simply do not care. If we cared and wanted to be a part of it, we would walk into one of your 8 billion churches and start taking part. Keep that in mind.
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Paganism...isn't that a perversion of religion, like worshipping the devil witchcraft and all that? ??? It isn't my place to Judge, that's up to God. But I would never make friends with someone who doesn't respect my religion, or who i can't see any evidence of having good religious standards. Choose your friends wisely! It's not judging, it's protecting your values, you wouldn't make friends with a man who beats his wife, so you shouldn't make friends with a man who disrespects God. Nuff said.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avt-5cfb3ng
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Paganism...isn't that a perversion of religion, like worshipping the devil witchcraft and all that?
1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks.
2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
3. an irreligious or hedonistic person.
But I would never make friends with someone who doesn't respect my religion, or who i can't see any evidence of having good religious standards.
Isn't that judging in itself? What defines a "good" religious standard in each culture? I understand you're trying to protect your values and there's nothing too wrong with that, but thinking deeper...you might learn something when someone questions your values. I used to be christian growing up and I defended it up until my "pagan" friends would argue with me over it. Over time they asked me questions (some mean, but philosophical nonetheless) that made me sit back and think of what they're trying to say. Eventually I realized what I was defending generally made no sense at all and I ended up abandoning it. Infact it was putting stress into my life that wasn't needed which was making me angry. My life improved dramatically and I have them to thank for it. They're some of the best and brightest people I've ever met despite them not having a religion which made me conclude it is not necessary to have a religion in order to be happy (despite what the morons say).
I look back at how I used to think and it makes me laugh. I know a few people who are super-christians and they're usually the ones who introduce it into a topic out of no where and when we start arguing, they will not come out of their box. I see it on this forum all the time too!
you wouldn't make friends with a man who beats his wife, so you shouldn't make friends with a man who disrespects God. Nuff said.
I wouldn't make friends with the beater, but I would make a friend out of a man who questions god even if the questions are disrespectful.
And I fav'd that youtube video, walksalone. good stuff.
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I myself am jewish and I like to think of myself as a "smart" money spender rather than a cheap but those jerks out in the world still throw coins or shake thier money in thier pockets to be comeplete jerks. It is not my fault that I like to actually save my money or find a good deal on things but yeah.... :crybaby2:
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Ok, I've read some crazy & stupid comments on here. I do not judge anyone on religion, just as long as you don't question my beliefs, try to push your beliefs on me, or tell me I'm wrong. Nor would I stay away from someone based on their religion just because they didn't share my beliefs. If everyone did this, no one would get along outside of religions.
Look how many different religions there are. Not everyone can be right, but all that matters is that it's right for YOU!!
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How can you blindly follw something that is clearly single handily destroying our existence..? anyone know about the "Laws of Attraction"? cause we're all connected by a magnetic force, so you are making nature off balance, with all these different mindsets, we all need to be at one level of conciousness...i believe we would be able to live alot longer and healthier...
also how come the bible never mentions anything about ETs, or life on other planets... there has to be...
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How can you blindly follw something that is clearly single handily destroying our existence..? anyone know about the "Laws of Attraction"? cause we're all connected by a magnetic force, so you are making nature off balance, with all these different mindsets, we all need to be at one level of conciousness...i believe we would be able to live alot longer and healthier...
also how come the bible never mentions anything about ETs, or life on other planets... there has to be...
Yeah...uhm no thanks!!
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I think less of anyone of another religion. I enjoy the diversity and all of the many different beliefs (even if I do not believe them or think they are kind of out there for me to believe in), and really I don't care if you pray to a two headed purple god with Twizzlers for horns who likes you to give offerings of Pixie Sticks, if you aren't hurting yourself or anyone else, then what does it matter?
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I don't judge religions, I just have criterion for what a religion is.
for example, paying to succeed in a religion is a complete farce. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
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people should judge people for who or what they are, and who they believe in.
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well if u think abt it and look at it closely all religions really r the same :dontknow:
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ahhh I didn't even read this...i was kind of in a hurry when i replied.
Ok, I've read some crazy & stupid comments on here. I do not judge anyone on religion, just as long as you don't question my beliefs, try to push your beliefs on me, or tell me I'm wrong. Nor would I stay away from someone based on their religion just because they didn't share my beliefs. If everyone did this, no one would get along outside of religions.
Look how many different religions there are. Not everyone can be right, but all that matters is that it's right for YOU!!
I guess the question is. Whats the difference from being "right" or being "factual"? Is it ok to provide facts that counter someones belief? or should they be left to be misled with incorrect information? Hard to make educated decisions for yourself when not having all information, or having a bit of bad information to base your decisions off of. (just ask politicians! )
Of course things like "there is or isnt a god" cannot be argued as there are no 'facts' to prove or disprove.
It wouldnt be save to hold that attitude if your friend/daughter etc was hanging out with Jim Jones and a bunch of kool aid yelling "its my belief! Who are you to judge!" hehe
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I don't judge religions, I just have criterion for what a religion is.
for example, paying to succeed in a religion is a complete farce. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
And partaking in symbolic cannibalism every Sunday so you can have the devil removed from inside you isn't a complete farce?
well if u think abt it and look at it closely all religions really r the same :dontknow:
Not even close.
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the bible says Judge not least you be judged. I believe everyone has a right to his or her own opinon but should be willing to listen to what others say as well. Not everyone believes the same as me and I am more than happy to listen to what you say about your "god". Christmas celebrates the birth of My Lord and Savior. Thanksgiving is about giving thanks to God for your blessing and trials that you recieved throughout the year
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I believe everyone has a right to his or her own opinon but should be willing to listen to what others say as well. Not everyone believes the same as me and I am more than happy to listen to what you say about your "god".
Holy *bleep*! An open-minded christian!? HOW CAN THIS BE!?!? Seriously, good for you.
Christmas celebrates the birth of My Lord and Savior
Actually if you're curious, Christmas has a super-pagan background that's anything but that. Most holidays do too. Look it up! Pretty funny stuff.
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Holy *bleep*! An open-minded christian!? HOW CAN THIS BE!?!? Seriously, good for you.
We are out there, ya know! I agree with Lynnette19. Most Christians (and this is solely my opinion from observation) are simply drones. They go to church, they get "fed" by the preacher, and the mindlessly believe everything that comes out of that preachers mouth... They never sit back and realize that the preacher is human too. Prone to the same sins and the same foul-ups as everyone else. They soak in what that preachers says and mindlessly believe it and repeat it...never thinking for themselves, never learning for themselves.
Most never actually go to the Bible and read and let the Lord lead them in their own studies... and least it is this way with most Southern Baptist churches I have been too. Don't get me wrong...there are very good churches out there but they tend to be far and inbetween. Christians need to learn for themselves, form their own opinions, and not just mindlessly believe and repeat what has been fed to them for so many years.
Now before you call me an Atheist...you simple minded Christians reading this...I am a Christian, I go to church, and I have a personal relationship with my God. I'm just not closed minded and am an independent thinker.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with believing in God, It's like believing you will hit the lottery one day...You're never really sure but you keep believing.
I don't understand how people can be so sure that God doesn't exist. Just the fact that humans are unable to do so many things and only capable of so much so tell you something.
I don't think it is impossible for God to exist but I just don't know how likely it is that he does.
It would be nice if God exists. And those that wouldn't want a God to exist are most likely bad people that would of went to hell anyways
God Bless
I see your way of thinking. It's true that it is entirely possible that God does or doesn't exist. If you look at the evidence in a logical way there is no REAL proof for either side of that argument. It's what you believe and what your heart tells you. ;)
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i never judge!
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I have to think hard, but I really think it would be a lie if I said I didn't judge. I have a difficult time with those who repeatedly knock on my door wanting to share the good news... I don't dislike them for their zeal, just for not taking "no, thank you" for an answer.
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Interesting question; I took my first religion class this semester and it has definitely opened my eyes to the MANY (and i mean many!) different religions out there. I surely don't look down at them. I have my beliefs, but I don't inflict them on anyone else.
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I am a Freethinker, or Atheist if you like that term better. I live in the south and there is very little tolerance here for anyone who isn't Christian. I try to stress to my son that not all religious people are like that.
For example, we have a neighbor who is Christian and is one of the few who knows we aren't. My son plays with her stepson and they had asked him to church a few times. Nate didn't want to tell them why he doesn't go and actually asked me if he could lie and say he believed in god. This was because he has lost friends in the past who won't let their kids play with a "Heathen"
To my surprise, they were fine with the fact that we weren't believers. She has never tried to push their religion on me or Nate. She has asked a few questions about what we do believe, which is fine. We have become good friends with their family.
In contrast, Nate has a hard time with his grandfather (step actually) who often hounds him over it. He tries to get him to go to church and lie to me about it. He slipped religious tracts in his Halloween candy, things like that. He has a Grandmother who is the same way.
They have done more to convince him Not to be a Christian than the Science I've taught him ever could.
The bottom line is, if you don't push your religion on me, I have no problem with you. If you don't push to have your religion included in Public Policy and government, I have no problem with you. I don't really care what you believe.
I'll admit, though that I feel sorry for religious people, especially kids. They deny themselves things that would add to their happiness. They worry over things that don't exist. Their kids rarely get a chance to see another point of view because they are taught to fear, and not to question.
What is the most upsetting though is the multitude of religious people who think they have to have one mind. That they have to be Republican, Pro -Life, Pro -War, Anti Gay, Pro Gun, Pro Death Penalty , love Glenn Beck and Fox News.etc. If someone starts telling me how much they love Jesus, I infer these things about them. So, Yeah, I guess I judge too.
LOL My longest post ever I think.
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How come when it is a muslim or jehovah's witness etc speaking to someone else about their beliefs --it's okay. But when a Christian shares his/her belief with someone it's called "pushing their beliefs on others and judging". And also standing up for your Christian beliefs makes you a "religious fanatic", but when the nation of islam takes a teacher over the coals for using mohammed as a class pet name--it's defending their rights? There are just some things that are 100 percent truth and this is what Christianity is. I believe it's because deep down the conscience of every individual knows that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. And this is their way of running.
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How come when it is a muslim or jehovah's witness etc speaking to someone else about their beliefs --it's okay. But when a Christian shares his/her belief with someone it's called "pushing their beliefs on others and judging". And also standing up for your Christian beliefs makes you a "religious fanatic", but when the nation of islam takes a teacher over the coals for using mohammed as a class pet name--it's defending their rights? There are just some things that are 100 percent truth and this is what Christianity is. I believe it's because deep down the conscience of every individual knows that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. And this is their way of running.
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Dude....you can't see the trees for the forest, or perhaps more accurate, you're blinded by the light!!!
I have found many many untruths within Christianity.
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How come when it is a muslim or jehovah's witness etc speaking to someone else about their beliefs --it's okay.
It's not.
But when a Christian shares his/her belief with someone it's called "pushing their beliefs on others and judging".
It is always a pushing of beliefs when someone won't shut up about any religion. Christianity simply happens to be the most practiced religion in the world, and thus, happens to be the most prevalent. It is ALWAYS in the faces of EVERYONE, where as something like Jehovah's Witness are somewhat more rare in comparison. It has nothing to do with some prejudice against Christianity; Christianity just happens to statistically be the one that talks the most, so it gets the most backlash.
And also standing up for your Christian beliefs makes you a "religious fanatic",
It doesn't. Being a religious fanatic makes you a religious fanatic.
but when the nation of islam takes a teacher over the coals for using mohammed as a class pet name--it's defending their rights?
It's not "defending rights." Anybody who seriously attempts to defend the acts and behaviors of radical Muslims who throw death threats around like it's nothing isn't worth listening to for more than 3 seconds. Anyone who seriously argues that freedoms and rights should be negated so as to keep from offending a religion can kindly go jump off a cliff.
The simple truth: If the people you're talking to are defending stances like those just outlined, you're talking to a lot of dumb people who should probably keep quiet more often.
There are just some things that are 100 percent truth and this is what Christianity is.
Be quiet ::)
I believe it's because deep down the conscience of every individual knows that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. And this is their way of running.
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How come when it is a muslim or jehovah's witness etc speaking to someone else about their beliefs --it's okay.
It's not.
But when a Christian shares his/her belief with someone it's called "pushing their beliefs on others and judging".
It is always a pushing of beliefs when someone won't shut up about any religion. Christianity simply happens to be the most practiced religion in the world, and thus, happens to be the most prevalent. It is ALWAYS in the faces of EVERYONE, where as something like Jehovah's Witness are somewhat more rare in comparison. It has nothing to do with some prejudice against Christianity; Christianity just happens to statistically be the one that talks the most, so it gets the most backlash.
And also standing up for your Christian beliefs makes you a "religious fanatic",
It doesn't. Being a religious fanatic makes you a religious fanatic.
but when the nation of islam takes a teacher over the coals for using mohammed as a class pet name--it's defending their rights?
It's not "defending rights." Anybody who seriously attempts to defend the acts and behaviors of radical Muslims who throw death threats around like it's nothing isn't worth listening to for more than 3 seconds. Anyone who seriously argues that freedoms and rights should be negated so as to keep from offending a religion can kindly go jump off a cliff.
The simple truth: If the people you're talking to are defending stances like those just outlined, you're talking to a lot of dumb people who should probably keep quiet more often.
There are just some things that are 100 percent truth and this is what Christianity is.
Be quiet ::)
I believe it's because deep down the conscience of every individual knows that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. And this is their way of running.
No ::)
:) I think I love you lol!
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the bible says Judge not least you be judged. I believe everyone has a right to his or her own opinon but should be willing to listen to what others say as well. Not everyone believes the same as me and I am more than happy to listen to what you say about your "god". Christmas celebrates the birth of My Lord and Savior. Thanksgiving is about giving thanks to God for your blessing and trials that you recieved throughout the year
You are right about thanksgiving.
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There are just some things that are 100 percent truth and this is what Christianity is. I believe it's because deep down the conscience of every individual knows that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. And this is their way of running.
You went there. And now I have to post it.
(http://migration.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/christianity.jpg)
I'm sorry, but your statement is the furthest from the truth. What you have is a simple naive opinion, but you act like it's a universal fact. This is why religion suffers and is thus the reason why people judge it.
Anybody who seriously attempts to defend the acts and behaviors of radical Muslims who throw death threats around like it's nothing isn't worth listening to for more than 3 seconds.
3 seconds is more than enough to cause massive headaches to any decent person who argues well. I'd just say laugh and walk away!
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How come when it is a muslim or jehovah's witness etc speaking to someone else about their beliefs --it's okay. But when a Christian shares his/her belief with someone it's called "pushing their beliefs on others and judging". And also standing up for your Christian beliefs makes you a "religious fanatic", but when the nation of islam takes a teacher over the coals for using mohammed as a class pet name--it's defending their rights? There are just some things that are 100 percent truth and this is what Christianity is. I believe it's because deep down the conscience of every individual knows that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. And this is their way of running.
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In the words of Immortal Technique "Jesus is the most quoted profit in the Quran". Jehovah's witness also believe in Jesus, in fact they also are smart enough to not celebrate christmas on the 25th because nowhere in the bible (even christian) does it say so. SO you really don't agree with them when you say "I believe it's because deep down the conscience of every individual knows that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.". Plenty of religions mirror this, even Mormons right? not sure about Catholics.. Also do you believe you would feel this way if in a remote village and never seen the bible? Would you just think "damn there must be this guy who was crucified a long time ago for me to be here! and his name was Jesus, gods son!"? I doubt it... You would probably twist the story slightly different, maybe even have different names. This actually occurred often before Christianity existed, other religions had the same beliefs about the son of god etc. but gave him another name depending on religion. The name Jesus was LEARNED from the bible, so not EVERY conscience individual could know that even if they wanted! Not everyone has the advantage of books even. But I guess going by Christianity standards, those people living ignorant in a small village somewhere, even if they are the most caring compassionate people, will go to hell for not accepting Jesus as their only true savior. xD Kinda sad. Also as for them speaking their beliefs and it being ok... not sure what planet your on, but last I checked Muslims are the most condemned of all religions ever since 9/11! A Muslim putting people on coals as punishment is defending their rights? What newspaper do you read? Id like to see it... last i saw the entire Muslim community was demonized because they were upset when Mohamed was used in a cartoon VERY inappropriately... they were demonized for condemning the cartoon, and called irrational terrorists who are extremists... I barely hear about christian extremist.. we just got one out of Office (Bush jr) even! xD That guy in the name of Christianity even banned stem cell research!! It was not condemned, and took time until Obama was in office to reverse the stupid thing... So I have no idea where you get the idea that 'you' are being picked on for your religion. Religious persecution is the oldest in the book, people have been condemned for ALL religions throughout all history! Even now Scientology is a huge target since its newer!
Also amazing you think the bible is 100% truth, when it even conflicts itself... but I guess we are talking magical mystical land where floods happen and 2 of every one of the billions of creatures on earth, can fit in a single arc :) Jesus turns water to wine, and an invisible man who hides in the sky stares at you while you *bleep* :) So I guess if all that's possible then two things that conflict can both be true as well... I think those who believe the bible is 100% truth, have a HUGE amount of confidence in the human race...and maybe a lack of knowledge of history... because the bible 50 years ago, even ten years ago, are completely revised. The languages were interpreted, tons of people contributed to the writings, publishing, changes etc. You must believe also that each of these human beings who are fallible, were 100% accurate (no mistakes) and 100% honest (no ego) when they did all their revisions, translations etc... and when they 'change' things, I guess they also got a message from god to do so? hehe... the bible is the greatest story ever told they say... and its been improved over decades to make that story greater! Yet its 100% truth? Not against people practicing religion on their own, but dont begin to think YOUR religion is the most persecuted. Also Judging is judging... if you judge someone, you judging them... if you do it based on opinion, based on religion or the bible, its still judging.. If you have a beef with people telling you that your are judging them, when you are judging them, maybe stop judging them! hehe. It has nothing to do with religion. People just bring it up, because its hypocritical for a christian to judge anyone, but most do exactly that on daily basis rather than looking inward. Maybe not you, but if your being told you are judging people and pushing your beliefs, I would suspect you are judging people... and even in this thread you are pushing your beliefs. When you say "I believe this, and you should believe what you want" you are not pushing the,... but when you say "I believe this, and I know this is 100% truth and all there is" or "every individual knows Jesus Christ" not only is it not true (he is learned by books and individuals) but its pushing your beliefs on others. You are saying "whatever you do is wrong, because I am 100% right". Which is pretty judgmental as well..
This is not opinion, I'm just going by dictionary terms. Judging, Jesus, etc. Do you celebrate Christmas on the 25th? if so, I'm curious... why?
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No I don't judge anyone's religion
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I wouldn't want people to judge what I believe in so I don't judge people
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........... But I guess going by Christianity standards, those people living ignorant in a small village somewhere, even if they are the most caring compassionate people, will go to hell for not accepting Jesus as their only true savior. xD Kinda sad.
Naw Bruh....we go to tha Happy Huntin' Ground!.......AYYYIIIIEEEEEE!!!!!
ROFLMIFAO!!!!
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Judging anyone for their religion is wrong. So long as they are not hurting anyone with their practices, I don't care what people do in their spare time and how they justify their existence. That's a personal choice, not one for others to interfere with, and judging leads to interfering.
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the bible says Judge not least you be judged. I believe everyone has a right to his or her own opinon but should be willing to listen to what others say as well. Not everyone believes the same as me and I am more than happy to listen to what you say about your "god". Christmas celebrates the birth of My Lord and Savior. Thanksgiving is about giving thanks to God for your blessing and trials that you recieved throughout the year
You are right about thanksgiving.
No he/she is not. The current holiday of Thanksgiving and the traditions surrounding it originated from pagan celebrations and ideals that very much predate Christianity.
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........... But I guess going by Christianity standards, those people living ignorant in a small village somewhere, even if they are the most caring compassionate people, will go to hell for not accepting Jesus as their only true savior. xD Kinda sad.
Naw Bruh....we go to tha Happy Huntin' Ground!.......AYYYIIIIEEEEEE!!!!!
ROFLMIFAO!!!!
wheee heee dawgy
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Number 1 thing is TO BELIVE IN GOD!!!
waist
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I dun "judge" anyone else's religions. A religion is someone's own. Why do I have any place to judge that person for what they believe? It's not hurting anyone. :]
But you know..
A lot of people sure do like to judge others over what they believe and pressure them into believing what they believe. It can be pretty annoying.
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I don't judge. Cause I really don't care.
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looser!!
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I consider myself agnostic not atheist. I am not soo closed minded as to label myself atheist. I say to each their own. I won't shove my opinion down your throat as long as you extend the same courtesy to me.
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I consider myself agnostic not atheist. I am not soo closed minded as to label myself atheist. I say to each their own. I won't shove my opinion down your throat as long as you extend the same courtesy to me.
There is nothing close minded about being an atheist. Everyone is born an atheist. It means absolutely nothing except "a lack of belief in deities."
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I consider myself agnostic not atheist. I am not soo closed minded as to label myself atheist. I say to each their own. I won't shove my opinion down your throat as long as you extend the same courtesy to me.
Agnostics are just Atheists without *bleep*. - Stephen Colbert
Do you believe in a god? No? Face it you are an Atheist, no matter what other word you use for it.
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I consider myself agnostic not atheist. I am not soo closed minded as to label myself atheist. I say to each their own. I won't shove my opinion down your throat as long as you extend the same courtesy to me.
Agnostics are just Atheists without *bleep*. - Stephen Colbert
Do you believe in a god? No? Face it you are an Atheist, no matter what other word you use for it.
to me yes i believe there is a god yes i know what he did for all of us am i going to argue about it no I dont think religon or god should be fought about let each person believe in what they want let god be their judge not us if we judge them we are just as wrong
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PSSSTTT!!!......simply thinking someone is right or wrong is judging, you may not be saying anything, but you are still judging.
SO....yes, everyone judges everyone else....end of story.
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We have our Word from God, through Scripture and written on our heart through the Holy Spirit. If we see someone falling wayside and tend to give a helping hand in a loving manner, then this is not judging. But if we point our finger and say what you are doing is wrong, in a manner that is not to help them, but to put them down for something then this is judging. If no one helped anyone out, where would be be, what would be the point of witnessing. Their is a fine line between judging someone and helping someone, God knows our hearts at all times. Just know that.
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We have our Word from God, through Scripture and written on our heart through the Holy Spirit. If we see someone falling wayside and tend to give a helping hand in a loving manner, then this is not judging. But if we point our finger and say what you are doing is wrong, in a manner that is not to help them, but to put them down for something then this is judging. If no one helped anyone out, where would be be, what would be the point of witnessing. Their is a fine line between judging someone and helping someone, God knows our hearts at all times. Just know that.
No....it's judging regardless of how you want to justify it and convince yourself that it isn't.
Christianity has a long history of coming up with all kinds of ways to justify it's supremacist and sometimes atrocious behavior take the "Doctrine of Discovery" for instance pushed by Pope Innocence or manifest destiny both of which were used as justification to commit the largest ONGOING genocide the world has ever seen.
I know I know....of course you don't believe in these things.......but the religion that you are repping most certainly does, they just wrap their most revolting and ugly actions up into nice pretty warm and fuzzy words and feed it to the flock who blindly lap it up and grow fat on it. And enjoy it so much that they want to share its wholesomeness with me.......you go ahead and stick your head back in the sand....I'm not having any.
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I agree that simply having an opinion will make you 'prejudge' a situation. but that's like saying don't think! don't use you're brain! let's face it, we all believe in standards, some people go overboard, and some just wrap thier bad deeds with a facade of righteousness. yeah we KNOW they're hypocrites out there! oh my! did i just 'judge' a person for being a hypocrite? no, their behaviour is obvious, i'm just stating it as it is. now judging means sending down condemnation, saying that religious hypocrites should be written off, BUT correcting them in a nice way is not judging.
if a kid misunderstood something, or worse did something bad or immoral, wouldn't you try to sit down and talk with them about what they're doing, rather than writing them off as bad and unlovable?
hmm. i guess seeing thier behaviour as 'bad' is a form of 'judgement' to some people :angry7:
standards have to be met. simple as that.
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Who get's to set these standards?
If it is a group of people who have historically abused in one way or the other, most of the worlds population at one time or the other then no...that is not acceptable.
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No he/she is not. The current holiday of Thanksgiving and the traditions surrounding it originated from pagan celebrations and ideals that very much predate Christianity.
Did anyone even notice this?
Someone clearly needs a history lesson....
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We have our Word from God, through Scripture and written on our heart through the Holy Spirit. If we see someone falling wayside and tend to give a helping hand in a loving manner, then this is not judging. But if we point our finger and say what you are doing is wrong, in a manner that is not to help them, but to put them down for something then this is judging. If no one helped anyone out, where would be be, what would be the point of witnessing. Their is a fine line between judging someone and helping someone, God knows our hearts at all times. Just know that.
The question is where do you draw that line? You may have a moderate line. Unfortunately, that's not how history reads.
The Age of Imperialism was very much centered around bringing "civilization" to the "heathens." Much of what was done by imperialistic nations was justified by their belief that they were bringing culture and Christianity to the ignorant. In other words, they thought they were doing these "inferior peoples" a favor by pushing Christianity into their cultures.
Hell, this very country witnessed the exact same thing. The doctrine of Manifest Destiny entailed spreading Christianity across the span of North America, even if that meant destroying aspects of other cultures (which it clearly achieved). The people who believed Manifest Destiny was good justified it by saying they were bringing Christianity to the "lesser individuals" who weren't following it.
Tip of the iceberg...
There isn't an obvious line that you portray. It is very much a gray area.
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No he/she is not. The current holiday of Thanksgiving and the traditions surrounding it originated from pagan celebrations and ideals that very much predate Christianity.
Did anyone even notice this?
Someone clearly needs a history lesson....
According to Joseph Gaer, author of the the book, Holidays Around the World,
"We often think of Thanksgiving as an American holiday, begun by the Pilgrims in Plymouth in 1621. At that time, so the story runs, the survivors of the Mayflower passengers celebrated their first harvest in the New World with a feast to which Governor Bradford invited the Indian Chief Massasoit and ninety of his braves.
That was the first Thanksgiving Day in the New World. But actually a thanksgiving for the annual harvest is one of the oldest holidays known to mankind, though celebrated on different dates. In Chaldea, in ancient Egypt and in Greece, the harvest festival was celebrated with great rejoicing. The Hindus and the Chinese observe the gathered harvest with a holiday."
" 'The Romans celebrated their Thanksgiving early in October. The holiday was dedicated to the goddess of harvest, Ceres, and the holiday was called Cerelia."
"In England the 'Harvest Home' has been observed continuously for centuries. The custom was to select a harvest queen for this holiday. She was decorated with the grain of their fields and the fruit of their trees. On Thanksgiving Day she was paraded through the streets in a carriage drawn by white horses. This was a remnant of the Roman ceremonies in honor of Ceres...the Pilgrims brought the "Harvest in" to Massachusetts.' (Little, Brown & Company, Boston, 1953. Pps. 159- 160)." [The harvest queen represented the Queen of Heaven, mentioned in the Bible as idolatrous and Semiramis.]
Marian Schibsly and Hanny Cohrsen in their book, Foreign Festival Customs and Dishes, states:
"Long before the Christian era, harvest gods were worshiped with curious and varied rites. Customs now in use at harvest festivals have their counterparts in pagan countries; in many cases their origin and their significance is shrouded in mists of antiquity. The American Thanksgiving Day is usually ascribed to the Massachusetts colony of pilgrims, who, in gratitude for their first harvest on American soil, devoted the day of December 13, 1621 to praise and rejoicing. [Actually ran 3 days]
The idea underlying such a celebration did, however, not originate with them. Thanksgiving day -- by that or some other name -- was known to virtually all the people who have come to America since 1492 and is known to those now coming...it becomes apparent that a day of thanksgiving is a custom in almost all the countries of Europe. It usually has to do with the harvests -- with the planting of crops or their gathering -- and therefore is observed in rural districts rather than in cities. (American Council For Nationalities Service, N.Y. 1974. P.46). "
Based on information that I have been able to find, it appears that the premise for the Thanksgiving holiday was not new, but practiced long before the christian era by various pagan religions. Each person must decide for themselves how they will view it.
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To each his own I am Catholic but some of my best friends are wican including my youngest sons god father
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Someone clearly needs a history lesson....
Yep. We're all looking at you.
simply thinking someone is right or wrong is judging, you may not be saying anything, but you are still judging
Exactly. I judge everyone with religious practices. I'm not afraid to say it. But that wouldn't stop me from helping them out however I can if they needed my help.
Agnostics are just Atheists without *bleep*.
Using this metaphor, religious people would be lobotomy patients.
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I don't look down on any religion. Everyone has their own beliefs, i don't think any one religion is more right than the other. Then again that's my belief and I'm a Deist and i don't believe in religion.
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I believe in what I believe in. I have to think that the other religions exist for a reason. If any of us are wrong we will find out in the end. I don't judge others, they will have to answer for their sins on their own.
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What I find amusing is people that complain about Religious Topics or Wish you would quit posting Religious Topics are the First ones to come rushing to the topic and stay seated in it until everyone else moves on.
Hardly the case. We just keep seeing new ignorant posts in the thread that need a dose of reality.
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Only this one. http://www.godhatestheworld.com/ (http://www.godhatestheworld.com/)
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its an individual decision
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There is only one truth, and yes, I agree it is an INDIVIDUAL decison. yes, God lets you decide if you want to accept your salvation through Jesus Christ or not. Notice no one is pulling your hand, no one can make you say one way or another, it is your decision, but if we don't share and witness, How will people know they can be saved, how will people know they dont' have to go down with satan, because he is the master of deceit pulling the wool over all the doubters eyes. But then it is an INDIVIDUAL decisoin. I know I have made mine after years of partying and doing it my way, God had other plans for me, and I wouldn't listen, but still God had other plans for me. Guess what I am finally listening, it was that or well, you don't even want to know.l
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There is only one truth, and yes, I agree it is an INDIVIDUAL decison. yes, God lets you decide if you want to accept your salvation through Jesus Christ or not. Notice no one is pulling your hand, no one can make you say one way or another, it is your decision, but if we don't share and witness, How will people know they can be saved, how will people know they dont' have to go down with satan, because he is the master of deceit pulling the wool over all the doubters eyes. But then it is an INDIVIDUAL decisoin. I know I have made mine after years of partying and doing it my way, God had other plans for me, and I wouldn't listen, but still God had other plans for me. Guess what I am finally listening, it was that or well, you don't even want to know.l
If they want to know, they will walk into your church. It really is that simple.
And tell me how it was your decision with an omniscient god?
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I dont judge people have the right to believe what they want to believe. For me i dont really believe in all the god stuff!!!
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Don't ever judge cuz it's God's job and only 1 THRUTH and it's Jesus Christ that died on the cross to save us all and you either accept him and what he did az a gift of eternal life or you don't and await the consequences of your decision on judgement day or death and other than that hope everyone the best that thinks or feels differant but I don't judge or force anything just express what I know and feel from the ORIGINAL Bible form which came 1000 other religions from people adding and taking away from it than calling it their own, another action that will be judged in due time..All I can say is only time will reveal and I promise it will happen EXACTLY the way it is written in Revelations in the King James version..It has already started for those unknowing of the end times and tribulations and all this is just for people interested in knowing the Truth and not put down anyone else cuz yall can think or believe what you want but like I said when Judgement Day comes we will see the Truth and it will be too late for those who chose to deny Christ..
Soldier of Christ in God'z Army
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lol Are you being serious dude...^^^ So if one of God's angels is directing you why does your Grammar stink so badly.
(Hopes your being sarcastic) :P
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Bosshoggs post is absolutely hilarious.
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:wave:Maybe he is an angel testing us !!!
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Hey,
I do not think it is right if other people judge one another's beliefs. I have been a catholic/christian my whole life, and noone ever made fun of me, nor did they say anything to offend my religion, I do not know why people do stuff like that. They would not like it if someone turned on them or something because of their belief or religion
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Well I am a Christian, but I am far from an ambassador for my religion. My personal feeling toward any religions can be summarized as follows: I do not have any negative feelings toward those that belong to other religions, however if you pray to your God of deity in order to bring harm to another person/people I don't really feel comfortable about them. I don't like people that take their religious beliefs out of context , or to the extreme. For example, if you feel like you need to blow up a plane or kill innocent people to please your God... we can't be friends. This is by no means an attack against Muslims either as most of my Muslim friends do not support this behavior. So I guess my feelings towards people of different religions is based on an individual basis.
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I am not one to rely on the "Protected by the Flock" mentality. I dont go to church, and haven't gone since High School. I grew up Baptist, and I have gone through the wringer with my family and different places of worship. On the downside, including personal experience, I've seen too many people in this world that proffess their dedication to their religion, and do something totally unethical afterwards, completely contraindicting their beliefs. On the upside, I've gone to many different religious gatherings, churches, cathedrals, with beautuful ceremonies, but at the end of the day I am content with believing in my family, and myself only. I'm not saying that everyone is like that, Im just speaking for myself.
I don't think people should look down on others religious practices, simply because they are uncomfortable with it, My theory is, if it gives you the strength to get you by in life, then that's fine by me, just remember that not everyone needs to, or wants to be "part of the flock" 8)
give out good vibes, and you'll get them back.....
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I dont judge because I wouldn't want someone to judge me based on my beliefs. I would hope they would see me as the person I am & not just by what beliefs I have.
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People shouldn't judge others for their religion.
Christianity, Buddhism, Atheism
who cares, people shouldn't judge each other, and they also shouldn't let religion affect their personality.
flowers n rainbows, let's all get along!!! :D
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i think im an athesist lol..
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:thumbsup: I love the quote....... 'THERE ARE NO ATHIESTS IN FOXHOLES'''...
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I don't look down on any religion. I try to respect everyone the same way they respect me. :thumbsup:
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The only "religion" I judge would be scientology, because L. Ron Hubbard didn't even do a good job of disguising that it's all a scam. He said himself once before starting scientology, "If I were doing it for the money, I'd start a religion." And then he did. And they declare anyone who speaks out against them "fair game," they've broken into government facilities, they often force women in the "church" to have abortions, and sometimes take children and put them in labor camps.
And if you think I'm lying, google it. How do they get away with it? An amazing legal team. Yeah.
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Sounds familiar.....google indian residential schools and perhaps forced sterilization procedures here in the US well into the '90s
You might be very surprised who the major players are in these atrocities.....
but don't take my word for it....googles your friend!
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As long as no one is shoving it in your face, they should be allowed to do what they want.
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I think that christians, true christians the ones that strive after God's heart and try to do what he says should be called something other than christians, like so many other things in life a few people have ruined it for everyone. Many christians do look down on people of other religions, but that makes them not christians at all, thats not what God would want and not what Jesus taught we should love everyone regardless of religion, race, social class, and any other lines that devide. We may not agree with what other religions teach or believe in them but that gives us no right to judge, love the sinner hate the sin and accept everyone regardless of what they have done or are still doing, after all if you point out someones flaws then they're liable to point out yours and we all strugle and make mistakes so they would find many to point out. Love and accept everyone, look down on no one. God Bless, hope you all have a wonderful week.
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There is no assortment of religions, there is only one truth, there wasn't 7 different creators, 7 different gods, there is only one God, the one who created us. religion was created for diversity to throw everyone off truth, bet you can't guess who is behind that.
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bet you can't guess who is behind that
According to your post, it's you. And every other boxed-in hypocritical human who thinks they have the truth.
Lets take for example a life-drawing class where each student represents a different religion. One persons viewpoint of the model will differ from someone else who's sitting on the opposite side of the model. Everyone will have different drawing. But some students believe their drawing is better than everyone elses and so they stand up, brag, criticize, and put down other peoples drawings. Christianity is a prime example of this student.
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I hate all religions equally.
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i dont think you should judge someone base on their religion. i think it is wrong.
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I waited to reply until I found this excerpt. I read it when my classes started and loved it. It goes along with this topic and my thoughts on judging people by religion or anything else for that matter. It is a little long, but it makes a very good point. I would not want to live in a world where everyone is the same. It would be incredibly boring! This is from Please Understand Me II: Temperament, Character, Intelligence by David Keirsey
Different Drummers
If you do not want what I want, please try not to tell me that my want is wrong.
Or if my beliefs are different from yours, at least pause before you set out to correct them.
Or if my emotion seems less or more intense than yours, given the same circumstances, try not to ask me to feel other than I do.
Or if I act, or fail to act, in a manner of your design for action, please let me be.
I do not, for the moment at least, ask you to understand me. That will come only when you are willing to give up trying to change me into a copy of you.
If you will allow me any of my own wants, or emotions, or beliefs, or actions, then you open yourself to the possibility taht some day these ways of mine might not seem so wrong, an might finally appear as right--for me. To put up with me is the first step to understanding me.
Not that you embrace my ways as right for you, but that you are no longer irritated or disappointed with me for my seeming waywardness. And one day, perhaps, in trying to understand me, you might come to prize my differences, and, far from seeking to change me, might preserve and even cherish those differences.
I may be your spouse, your parent, your offspring, you friend, your colleague. But whatever our relation, this I know: You and I are fundamentally different and both of us have to march to our own drummer.
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No way. Every one should believe what they feel is right. In the end who know what is really the truth. It is not our place to judge other tho, that is the only thing that I am truely sure of.