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mattymatt79

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Re: The Unemployment rate
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2011, 07:37:01 am »
Jaymz you make some valid points regarding who will get elected next election cycle.
My whole point would be to validate my actual theroies would be based mostly on what Ron Paul says. I think that if the government backed off, especially when it came to taxation of buisness we would see ral job growth. I mean strictly speaking since we've moved most of our manufacturing off shore to allow for higher profits due to a lower tax rate, I think if we would bring things like that back, we'd see higher job growth. I mean take pittsburgh for example; most of the steel mills have shut down, which was once a huge gain of money based on exportatation and more jobs. Now these take place outside of the US with less government regulation as well as less taxation of the materials used. I mean if you were a CEO or president of a company and bottom lines and profits were in your best interest, what would you rather do? Pay the insane taxes as well as every other government regulation fee here in the US or outsource it and just pay the import tax. Bottom lines are effected and it would effect all aspects of the general econmy.

We won't see real actual job growth until we see less intervention of the government in certain aspects of our econmy. I mean the Fed is just printing money out of thin air leading to unatural inflation. This inflation and this debt based economy we're running isn't helping job growth at all. How are we as a country supposed to suceed when we can't produce anything? Or if it is, it's regulated down and micromanged to a point where we as the consumer would pay higher prices for it. Those higher taxes roll downhill. The company getting taxed passes those higher taxes to consumers. We end up paying for it in the long run.

I'm not saying no regulation or anything of the sort, but what I'm saying is that if there was less regulation we'd see a higher job field.
We import oil from other countries since it's what fuels everything, yet there is mass amounts of shale and other oil inside the US, but it's easier and cheaper for the companies involved to just buy it from other countries. OPEC is killing us, it's what's driving costs so much higher. Like said during the Gulf Oil spill, if BP wasn't required by law to drill so deep to have actual profits, the clean up would have been so much easier. Yet, government over regulation as well as the thousands of damn agencies required make it so much harder.

Then again, if we'd just stop being such an imperalistic war state, we'd have money hand over fist, but when most of our budget goes to being warmongers then well... it's our bed and we have to lie in it. Then again, I'd be all for the government getting out of most of the aspects of our life; marriage, education, the Dep of Energy, and most of the rest of the Departments that we all pay for that can't seem to get it right yet we still pay for each and every day in our taxes.

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Re: The Unemployment rate
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2011, 09:28:27 am »
The unemployment rate has drastically increased and more and more stores are closing.  The President is talking about every other country, but nothing about helping people get jobs.   He said on the state of the union address that the worst of the recession is over, I wonder what country he is living in, but surely he is not talking about the USA.
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Re: The Unemployment rate
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2011, 09:29:30 am »
I don't think it will decline (drastically or subtly) any time soon. The economy is far too messed up for unemployment to suddenly drop.

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Re: The Unemployment rate
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2011, 11:23:47 am »
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OP-Ed pieces from magazines don't quite qualify as proof of anything.  I would think mathematics and rules of government would be proof enough that it is impossible to obstruct anything.  The guy in the WH will get the blame and justifiably so... however accusing a political party of deliberately runing an economy is just ridiculous.

Proof that government stepping in makes unemployment worse or does not fix?

1.  The New Deal
2.  The Stimulis Package

Massive government intervention = extended periods of unemployment and economic weakness.

Wow, heck of a response there.  Did you even bother to read the links?  Sorry I couldn't find a PDF on official letterhead that says "SECRET REPUBLICAN PLAN - KEEP ECONOMY BAD!  signed, REPUBLICAN LEADERS".  The dots are all there though, just connect them.

The Republicans are systematically obstructing Democratic initiatives.  If someone from the American Enterprise Institute and Mr. Trent Lott, aka the former Republican minority whip himself, are saying that, then jeez, maybe there's something to it.  They've got every right to be as obstructionist as they want.  Do I agree with it?  Heck no, but for you to claim "there's no obstructionism!" is asinine.

And you're right, it is ridiculous for a political party to try to keep the economy down.  But the Republicans and their Tea Party friends are certainly anything but rational.  ...Oh wait, you're claiming that I said a political party deliberately ruined the economy.  Nope, I didn't say that, now did I.

A two-point list without any sort of explanation does not a proof make.

On a somewhat less serious note, shouldn't you actually be Johnny Ramone?  Johnny was the conservative, and Joey was the liberal.

And lastly, some topical snark:  Republicans Vote To Repeal Obama-Backed Bill That Would Destroy Asteroid Headed For Earth  http://www.theonion.com/articles/republicans-vote-to-repeal-obamabacked-bill-that-w,19025/

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Re: The Unemployment rate
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2011, 11:39:27 am »
Matt, thank you for the thoughtful response as always.  I know CEOs need to worry about the bottom line and all, but are regulations and taxes in the US really *that* oppressive?  I think greed plays a very large part in outsourcing, plain and simple.  More money, but at what cost?  The workers in these other countries make a lot less, don't have good benefits, etc, and I'm sure there's an environmental impact as well.  Personally I think it'd be great to hear a CEO say "We got make a lot more money elsewhere, but this company is based in the US and we're going to do what we can to help by keeping our jobs here.  And I don't really need the millions of dollars I'm making, so I'm giving myself a pay cut."  Wishful thinking, I know.

A lot of corporations are sitting on big piles of money and not putting it back into the economy to create jobs- why?

And yeah, I'm definitely not down with the whole empire thing.

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Re: The Unemployment rate
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2011, 12:27:05 pm »
Oh I wholeheartedly agree with you that Greed and profits are what drive it. But just as another twist, say you work for Company A wouldn't you want the company to make as much as possible? What about if you're a stockholder, I'm sure you would then. Is it wrong? Maybe and I'd even lean towards yes, it certainly isn't correct but it's still the truth. The laws might not be "that oppresive" but when they come from effecting bottom line, anything that effects bottom line is opressive in some way shape or form. You and I can both agree that unfortunatly that's the case.

I think though that if some of the regulations were relaxed some we'd as a country see a bigger boom again. Would be the industrial revolution again? Probably not, but it'd be better than what we currently have. There are some though that are outsourcing correctly, a company called Nucor is a steel company based out of NC (a right to work state) and it does outsource to India and China, yet they include all if their workers in the same benefit package as the CEO. Granted, that's one in a million I'm sure, but they don't have to pay the hefty union contract fees and are actually suceeding using a mix of outsourced employment and US based employment. Say one more steel mill opens, that's on average 1000 more jobs. That's just one mill. That doesn't include the jobs at shipyards and other miscellaneous jobs that would be created by allowing a raw material producer to produce again in the US. Nucor's bottom line is effected by the regulations, just think if instead they had all US based employees.

I don't however agree that it's strictly republicans keeping the economy down, I think honestly it's both sides. I think both are playing their political game. The D's blaming the R's and rallying their base which does include impoverished and minorities and hopefully allowing more social programs to suceed, whereas the R's blaming the D's with their these socail programs are going to kill us.

Both are at fault... I wish a Ron Paul would win... show the country what libetarians are like :) 

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Re: The Unemployment rate
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2011, 01:13:41 pm »
I hope not because alot of people will be hurting.

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Re: The Unemployment rate
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2011, 09:10:46 pm »
The rate will stay high for a long while. It's hard on many people. I wish our country does not spend so much on welfare programs.

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