God is a Fake

[jcribb16]

Falcon9,

Yet I see you constantly trying to dissemble what people are trying to say who do not agree with you.  Ultimately, we have to agree that we disagree and move on.  In the meantime, if you choose to state there is no God and that you do not believe in a god, then that is for you.  If someone else is stating that they believe in God, yet He is not seen publicly to prove He's real or not, then that is for that someone.  Their statements, choices, and beliefs are not hurting yours, nor are yours hurting them. 

[AngelBaby234]

   God is a very lovingg God Whom Died A very Hard & painful Death To Save The world from There Sins I believe In THe One True & Loving God . you try giving up your only begoten son

[luveyourworld]

i agree. that is true in my understanding. people who belive differently than me, them not believing in what i believe does not physically hurt me in any way. i admit, i feel a little saddness, as i feel is right by my beliefe since i believe that if you dont have jesus you go to a bad place when you die and i would like to see everyone happy, but other than a slight inside feeling, it doesnt bother me none. god also said that he made some to go to a good place when they die and he made some specifically for His war to go to a bad place when they die. i accept all of God's creations with love, as is another part of my beliefe.

[SurveyMack10]

falcon9,

you seem to only be looking for a hostile argument- that is not what I am here for.

I doubt you will agree to disgree- but the fact is that I believe in God and you do not.

I am not offended that you do not believe in God, it does not hurt ME in any way.

I am not the one who is here trying to convince anyone of anything.

The only things I have said here is that
1) I believe in God
2) I am not claiming his existence as a scientific fact, just my personal belief
3) I have no reason to sit here and prove to you God's existence when I just said he is not a physical being and that believing in him is my right- not anything I am trying to force up on anyone else

I can hope that you will have the maturity to say that it is OKAY for others to not believe the same way you do.

I have seen 3 other Christians post on this thread and say everyone has a right to their own beliefs.

It would do a lot for your side of the debate if you showed the same amount of respect as opposed to arrogance in saying your way is the only way.

I know you WANTED me to claim that God's existence is a fact so that you could try to force me into showing scientific proof- I am sorry that you could not twist my words into that no matter how hard you tried.

If you want proof that I believe in God- then I am here to tell if you from the source- I BELIEVE IN GOD.

I have proven my claim to believe in God.

I have told you that if you have a different belief system that is your decision.

If you would like to prove that your beliefs are the one and only way then by all means prove that God does not exist, if you choose not to that is fine.

I have summarized everything from my side of the debate in a polite, respectful way.

If you respond to this and try to twist my words into something else it will only make people see that you do not want to respect anyone other's beliefs, and I hope that is not the case.

[falcon9]

Falcon9,
Yet I see you constantly trying to dissemble what people are trying to say who do not agree with you.

On the contrary, I've quoted the exact, unaltered words of what some people are using in lieu of reasoning.  That's fine, there's no specific requirement for those folks to be rational and therefore, no need for me to dissemble.  Your baseless accusation, (that means, with no supporting evidence other than your bare, dubious say-so), becomes merely a faint counter-attack. 

Ultimately, we have to agree that we disagree and move on.  In the meantime ...

There is no meantime; I'm not agreeing to disagree, (since that is a cop-out to preserve what's left of your tattered position), but, I accept your tacit surrender in this aspect of the debate with you.

[falcon9]

falcon9,
I am not offended that you do not believe in God, it does not hurt ME in any way.

Yet, your previous dissembling and ouright lies are mildly offensive to me.  And yes, you are free to believe any nonsense you wish.  Good luck with that.

I can hope that you will have the maturity to say that it is OKAY for others to not believe the same way you do.

Already did - not my concern that you lack basic comprehension skills.

opposed to arrogance in saying your way is the only way.

Since I never stated nor implied that my "way is the only way", I reject your penchant for attempting to attribute things I didn't say to me.  That constitutes lying, which makes you a liar.  Knock it off or you'll be called on it as bluntly as this, got it?  As a reminder, you've still failed to produce that quote of my claiming that "god is not real" - have you got that one handy or, are you okay with your lie?

I am sorry that you could not twist my words into that no matter how hard you tried.

Since I quoted your words, none were "twisted" unless you did the twisting.  That you fail to acknowledge the meaning of your own claim is unltimately your own self-deception; you aren't deceiving me no matter how hard you've tried.

I have summarized everything from my side of the debate in a polite, respectful way.

Bit late for that after your previously hostility and diversions.

[SurveyMack10]

falcon9,
I am not offended that you do not believe in God, it does not hurt ME in any way.

Yet, your previous dissembling and ouright lies are mildly offensive to me.  And yes, you are free to believe any nonsense you wish.  Good luck with that.

I can hope that you will have the maturity to say that it is OKAY for others to not believe the same way you do.

Already did - not my concern that you lack basic comprehension skills.

opposed to arrogance in saying your way is the only way.

Since I never stated nor implied that my "way is the only way", I reject your penchant for attempting to attribute things I didn't say to me.  That constitutes lying, which makes you a liar.  Knock it off or you'll be called on it as bluntly as this, got it?  As a reminder, you've still failed to produce that quote of my claiming that "god is not real" - have you got that one handy or, are you okay with your lie?

I am sorry that you could not twist my words into that no matter how hard you tried.

Since I quoted your words, none were "twisted" unless you did the twisting.  That you fail to acknowledge the meaning of your own claim is unltimately your own self-deception; you aren't deceiving me no matter how hard you've tried.

I have summarized everything from my side of the debate in a polite, respectful way.

Bit late for that after your previously hostility and diversions.

I will "acknowledge the meaning of my own claim" again.
I beleive in God means...I BELIEVE IN GOD.
You actually did imply that your way was the only way by continuously trying to convince every Christian on this forum that God is not real and saying that our religious beliefs are irrational.
It doesn't bother me, but you shouldn't deny it happened as it is here in writing.
You say you never claimed God wasn't real, yet you have repeatedly told me that I believe in something that is untrue- which would mean you are saying God is not real.
Why is it that when crib, me, and jsuderc all make an effort to say "Hey, you are entitled to your beliefs as we are to ours and it's not hurting anybody!" that you cannot be a big enough person to acknowledge that there is a possibility that others don't agree with you, and that doesn't make them morons.
Showing arrogance and not letting others exercise their rights (or as we might say God-given rights) doesn't make you look superior, it makes you look immature.
And I am not saying this in an insulting or mean way, and I hope that is not how it is coming across, I just want you to realize that on this thread you do not represent your cause in a positive way.
You are doing exactly what you complain about Christians doing- (throwing religion in your face and trying to convince you that their path is right)
You are throwing your belief system in our face while insulting ours, AND refuse to agree to disagree.
It's simply childish.

[falcon9]

[a simply childish diatribe]

It's simply childish.

No doubt.

[jcribb16]

Falcon9,
Yet I see you constantly trying to dissemble what people are trying to say who do not agree with you.

On the contrary, I've quoted the exact, unaltered words of what some people are using in lieu of reasoning.  That's fine, there's no specific requirement for those folks to be rational and therefore, no need for me to dissemble.  Your baseless accusation, (that means, with no supporting evidence other than your bare, dubious say-so), becomes merely a faint counter-attack. 

Ultimately, we have to agree that we disagree and move on.  In the meantime ...

There is no meantime; I'm not agreeing to disagree, (since that is a cop-out to preserve what's left of your tattered position), but, I accept your tacit surrender in this aspect of the debate with you.

I have given no tacit surrender in this aspect of the debate with you.  Is your way of ending it?  You are very good at using technical words in this debate - I will give you that.  However, you are no more willing to give an inch on your side of the debate, as a person of opposite view is no more willing to give an inch on their side.  Everyone can debate and discuss and agree/disagree until they are "blue" in the face, but it is not changing how the person thinks or feels or believes about or in something or someone.

[SurveyMack10]

[a simply childish diatribe]

It's simply childish.

No doubt.

wow

[falcon9]

Falcon9,
Yet I see you constantly trying to dissemble what people are trying to say who do not agree with you.

On the contrary, I've quoted the exact, unaltered words of what some people are using in lieu of reasoning.  That's fine, there's no specific requirement for those folks to be rational and therefore, no need for me to dissemble.  Your baseless accusation, (that means, with no supporting evidence other than your bare, dubious say-so), becomes merely a faint counter-attack. 

Ultimately, we have to agree that we disagree and move on.  In the meantime ...

There is no meantime; I'm not agreeing to disagree, (since that is a cop-out to preserve what's left of your tattered position), but, I accept your tacit surrender in this aspect of the debate with you.

I have given no tacit surrender in this aspect of the debate with you.

On the contrary, I've quoted the exact, unaltered words of what some people are using in lieu of reasoning.  That's fine, there's no specific requirement for those folks to be rational and therefore, no need for me to dissemble.  Your baseless accusation, (that means, with no supporting evidence other than your bare, dubious say-so), becomes merely a faint counter-attack. These have been countered without effective rebuttal from you, which is considered to be a tacit surrender on your part.

[AngelBaby234]

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[jcribb16]

Falcon9, since you have been accusing Christians of not providing proof, dissembling, etc., I would like to ask a few questions.

1.  Why do radical atheists oppose, with such a vengeance, something they say doesn’t exist, and why does it bother them that someone else chooses to believe in Christ?

2.  Why do athiests say Christians are too pushy and delusional, etc., (while we try to tell them that not all Christians are that way and should not be boxed in the same one box); yet can't admit that there are athiests who also are too pushy, delusional, vocal, and even threatening?  Here is a new article that has come out:  What do you think this "top athiest" means by saying we Christians need to be eradicated?  Do you agree with this man? Is he psycho?  Should Christians lump him in the same box as all athiests?

"e·rad·i·cate   /ɪˈrædɪˌkeɪt/  Show Spelled[ih-rad-i-keyt]  Show IPA
verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing. 
1. to remove or destroy utterly; extirpate: to eradicate smallpox throughout the world.
2. to erase by rubbing or by means of a chemical solvent: to eradicate a spot.
3. to pull up by the roots: to eradicate weeds."
(Sounds like a threat on Christians' lives, in my opinion)

Link:
 http://blog.beliefnet.com/news/2011/09/top-atheist-calls-for-eradication-of-dangerous-damaging-and-disingenuous-christians.php#ixzz1YiDAYpdB?source=NEWSLETTER&nlsource=11&ppc=&utm_campaign=Bible&utm_source=NL&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_term=att.net
 
   
 

[jcribb16]

Now you've got someone else trying to get you to "prove your claim" after they've failed to prove their initial claims concerning their 'defined deities', (which is a dodge effectively insisting that their initial claim be disproved so that they don't have to substantiate their initial claims).  Seems to me it would be easier for the initial claimants to just admit that they cannot substantiate their claims and rely upon faith alone.

I am not claiming God is or is not real, I believe He is, but I did not get on this thread and start asserting that I am right and everyone else is wrong. I am simply asking the person who claimed it was a fact that God does not exist to prove it.

Stating a belief that something is "real" is the same thing a claiming something is real.  There is no need to overtly assert that such a claim is "right" since making a claim one believes is tacitly wrong would be even more irrational than going around making unsubstantiated claims which rest upon baseless belief.  Regardless, you are again requesting that someone else prove a negative.  This isn't how reasoning works; it is however, how those who eschew reasoning work.  It's a sad state of affairs but, since the original claim/belief that "god(s)" exist remains unsubstantiated, it's a moot point.
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Mackenzie, I don't know if this is what you have been looking for in regards to falcon9 saying God is not real.  He is not saying that in those exact words but is implying that it would be 'irrational and tacitly wrong to make a claim based on baseless belief.'

[macy332]

It's very easy to see why you would think that "God is a fake"... because most of His "followers" go to church on Sunday mornings and before they have even left the church parking lot, they have forgotten the basics of Christianity.  I grew up in a completely different society and have a completely different perspective of America, but all bias aside... Americans have one interesting way of life in the Christian society and life in general.  Most are extremely disrespectful.  (That's the case everywhere, though.)  There is an interesting piece of psychology that comes with the "disrespectfulness."  It turns your attention from God to Godlessness.  The devil loves it!