Heaven or Hell is it real or unreal?

[lynn426]

 Many people who have near death experiences and Don Piper had  several body parts dismangled completely. After hearing his story..No ones hould be ungrateful for a spiritual or carnal  helping hand.  id like to share his story 
with you  visit www.donpiperministry.com....

[jordandog]

Some people will believe anything and I mean anything, no matter how ludicrous and impossible it is.

Piper claims "he went straight to Heaven and experienced things he describes as amazing and beautiful, including meeting family members such as his great grandmother and joining a Heavenly Choir that proceeded into the Gates of Heaven."

Seriously? Well, I went to Hell and back, but while I was there I swam in The Lake of Fire, danced with the devil, and ate 5 gallons of Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia.....and I am still here to tell ya all about it!

[Falconer02]

Many people who have near death experiences and Don Piper had  several body parts dismangled completely. After hearing his story..No ones hould be ungrateful for a spiritual or carnal  helping hand.  id like to share his story  
with you  

Please stop spreading superstition. The guy had a strange dream as he was dying. I've been there too when I was a little kid. It didn't involve Christian material. It involved Star Wars. lol the mind does odd things when the body loses oxygen. A lot of people claim they had an out-of-body experience and that they went somewhere. What these types of Christians never say is that with the proper illegal substances and a relaxing atmosphere, anyone can possibly do the exact same thing with an amazing amount of vivid description pretty easily. The guy's a petty false prophet and the fact that he makes money from christian sheep who buy his crap is just as sad as it is funny.

Here's an Amazon review of his book-

I expected a lot from this book. Maybe too much. 90 minutes in Heaven translates to 90 seconds of "nothing new". His description of Heaven is (seriously) a few pages in the entire book. I expected to be reading something life altering - not just a description of the gates. I wanted answers. I wanted to know he talked to God, or to his spirit guides, or befriended angels. I wanted to know something more than a tart expression of the pearly gates. It also didn't help that he was a minister so (already) his assumption of what Heaven is, is skewed by his preconceived ideals on what Heaven is to him. Then he passes it off as if this is the ONLY Heaven and the ONLY way. 90 minutes in Heaven was not enough time for him to truly explain life's answers to "What happens when we die." I was just very disappointed that out of this entire book - the description was so brief - and so stereotypical.

And he's sold 4 million copies of this crap? Ugh...how can people buy this junk unless they're in it for a giggle?   I think we'd all like to know what happens when we die, but NOBODY DOES. Following crazy false prophets is just a sad way to deal with reality and it hurts you and whatever you stand for.

[walksalone11]

Some people will believe anything and I mean anything, no matter how ludicrous and impossible it is.

Piper claims "he went straight to Heaven and experienced things he describes as amazing and beautiful, including meeting family members such as his great grandmother and joining a Heavenly Choir that proceeded into the Gates of Heaven."

Seriously? Well, I went to Hell and back, but while I was there I swam in The Lake of Fire, danced with the devil, and ate 5 gallons of Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia.....and I am still here to tell ya all about it!

5 gallons??? and not one invite......begining to wonder about you. ;o)

[edominik]

Very real in my book!

[gaylasue]

Both are real.

[yosav]

real, in my religion their proof, i wont get into the topic to deep, but you so call nonbelievers, its easy to say i don't believe, how many have you done your homework, if you were about to die,suffer etc who would you turn to,if you dont believe in a higher power, and believe we came here by chance or through evolution, well i hate to disapoint you but even the scientist proven they are falls theory and if there is a heaven or hell then you better do your homework, but you non believers will just sit back and say you dont believe.   

[jordandog]

Some people will believe anything and I mean anything, no matter how ludicrous and impossible it is.

Piper claims "he went straight to Heaven and experienced things he describes as amazing and beautiful, including meeting family members such as his great grandmother and joining a Heavenly Choir that proceeded into the Gates of Heaven."

Seriously? Well, I went to Hell and back, but while I was there I swam in The Lake of Fire, danced with the devil, and ate 5 gallons of Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia.....and I am still here to tell ya all about it!

5 gallons??? and not one invite......begining to wonder about you. ;o)

Aww, Walks, I would have invited you and a couple others here, but do you have any idea what the long distance charges to call from Hell are? Ridiculously high! Not to mention the fact that while I was there, Hell was starting to freeze over and the ice cream would have been rock hard, almost impossible to eat and really enjoy.... Next time I'll let you all know ahead of time so you can come with, deal?

[yosav]

like i said there alot people could say and joke about but know all joking aside i still ask if you really did homework on the subject or are you just saying things of the top of your head, i'm not saying there's no lies are frauds out there like you and that theres plenty of people trying to make money on whatever they can but like i said theres real proof out there if you really wont to check, so go ahead poke fun it easy to and a nice way to not care but at the end if i'm wrong i lost nothing if your wrong. well you figure it out...i could also say i was there but that the way people way out

[jordandog]

but like i said theres real proof out there

And just where IS this 'real proof'? Do NOT say in the Bible because that is NOT actual, infallible proof of hell or anything else.

[yosav]

no i wont say the bible because if you dont believe its not proof even though i can prove it from the bible. its a long topic but there scientific proof just to mention in in about 1000s of others like i said do your homework

[Falconer02]

no i wont say the bible because if you dont believe its not proof even though i can prove it from the bible. its a long topic but there scientific proof just to mention in in about 1000s of others like i said do your homework

I assure you she HAS done her homework. It is obvious that YOU have not done yours. If you actually did, you'd know that it was a fictional place created from the concepts of Sheol and Gehenna when it comes to christian doctrine. So please show us your..."scientific" proof or it's obvious that what you're saying is complete and utter crap.

[yosav]

first of all i will not give my answer from the bible, because if i did and you dont believe, then my proof is worthless, a small example. if there a crime scene the police usually try to find similarities, well the doctors did the same thing many year ago when it came to clinical death, they started to investigate similarities and over thousand of clinical death, they found 10 similarities, mention in the bible, some small ex. one person repeated what the doctors said, first notion is even if your clinical dead you can still hear whats going around till the next person said how the wires holding the light hanging over his head were connected, well they got a ladder to check and it was exactly as described, enough incidents proved that the soul floats over the body when you dead or clinical dead, most people said they saw there family coming to see them. like i said i'm barely touching the subject because i would need tons of space to continue, so do your homework, i never said i speaking of the christian bible so dont assume, and it irrelevent first do some homework. then at least youll know what to ask and not just criticize the common escape ground       

[yosav]

1 more note ill be off the computer for a day or so, so if i dont answer dont assume i gave in like, i said i just gave you a tip of the ocean there many different topic and all deal in great lengths, i gave you a answer that so simple a three year old could understand, if you need complex answers  ill need to be on the computer non stop

[Falconer02]

enough incidents proved that the soul floats over the body when you dead or clinical dead

*facepalm*
Yosav...read my post above. It's the 4th one on the list (has some red text). Then try to refute that. People have out-of-body experiences all the time. It's not spiritual in nature. The mind goes bonkers if it has had something traumatic happen to it, is under strange drugs, or is getting a lack of oxygen. That is proven because it's well documented-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experience

You're falling for pseudoscientific reasonings so I suggest you do a bit more research on the subject while avoiding anecdotal evidence such as creationist-sponsored research.