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We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« on: October 11, 2012, 05:51:12 am »
I no longer argue with people anymore because im not against them and really they not against me,we are just puppets on a string
and it more in the behind curtain,this might go over someone head and this might not..but this a warfare,look it up and do research to
know the truth,first the truth is JESUS, know the truth jesus first then you will know the truth.and he say to love your enemy and pray for those
that dispitefully use you.That seems weak but its not ,to the world it is but the world system is failing big time,why?they dont know the truth
and the truth can only set you free,in your mind,your mindset,the battlefield is in the battlefield is in the mind,understand...we dont fight each other
we all one race of people...HUMAN RACE GOD made us all,we all bleed RED blood like jesus did for us when the world had a chance to know the truth
see if you did change your mindset you will believe a lie,be decieved and think its againt purifying a race or hatred but you are decieved God is not mocked you will reap what you sow,have funny people dont believe that.Thats another topic but i love all humans and one day we wont be here
but out of this body in the spirit realm,we all appointed to die,dont get it twisted you wont live forever so prepare now lest you do nothing and perish......sorry i got long winded.... :peace: :peace: :peace: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2012, 05:55:05 am »
I no longer argue with people anymore because im not against them and really they not against me,we are just puppets on a string
and it more in the behind curtain,this might go over someone head and this might not..but this a warfare,look it up and do research to
know the truth,first the truth is JESUS, know the truth jesus first then you will know the truth.and he say to love your enemy and pray for those
that dispitefully use you.That seems weak but its not ,to the world it is but the world system is failing big time,why?they dont know the truth
and the truth can only set you free,in your mind,your mindset,the battlefield is in the battlefield is in the mind,understand...we dont fight each other
we all one race of people...HUMAN RACE GOD made us all,we all bleed RED blood like jesus did for us when the world had a chance to know the truth
see if you did change your mindset you will believe a lie,be decieved and think its againt purifying a race or hatred but you are decieved God is not mocked you will reap what you sow,have funny people dont believe that.Thats another topic but i love all humans and one day we wont be here
but out of this body in the spirit realm,we all appointed to die,dont get it twisted you wont live forever so prepare now lest you do nothing and perish......sorry i got long winded.... :peace: :peace: :peace: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:
Peace &  Love Lol......soul train...lol but honestly we all have a soul so we all are ONE .....regardless of how you look and you cant hide what is in your heart because it comes out when you try to keep it in the most,funny how i laugh at ignorance but check myself because i can become that way too.

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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2012, 10:54:11 am »
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I no longer argue with people anymore because im not against them and really they not against me,we are just puppets on a string
and it more in the behind curtain,this might go over someone head and this might not..but this a warfare,look it up and do research to
know the truth,first the truth is JESUS

First off, it's extremely stupid to post "i'm not going to argue anymore, but here's something you can argue about from me". Secondly, saying your beliefs make you a puppet on strings is really not a good advertisement of your faith. There's this thing called 'freedom' that people enjoy, and saying people don't have it is disappointing. Third, if your beliefs are 'truth', then certainly they can surpass elementary skepticism. Unfortunately there is not an ounce of substance in your post as it equates to not much more than a pipe dream.

I imagine the believers will completely agree with you though because hey! Who needs substance or a base in reality in a debate when you can make up anything you want and say it's true?

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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2012, 01:43:00 pm »
In the absence of circumstances which generate suspicion, every witness is to be presumed credible, until the contrary is shown; the burden of impeaching his credibility lying on the objector. 

This rule serves to show the injustice with which the writers of the Gospels have ever been treated by infidels; and injustice silently acquiesced in even by Christians; in requiring the Christian affirmatively, and by positive evidence, aliunde, to establish the credibility of his witnesses above all others, before their testimony is entitled to be considered, and in permitting the testimony of a single profane writer, alone and uncorroborated, to outweigh that of any single Christian. This is not the course in courts of chancery, where the testimony of a single witness is never permitted to outweigh the oath even of the defendant himself, interested as he is in the cause; but, on the contrary, if the plaintiff, after having required the oath of his adversary, cannot overthrow it by something more than the oath of one witness, however credible, it must stand as evidence against him. But the Christian writer seems, by the usual course of the argument, to have been deprived of the common presumption of charity in his favor; and reversing the ordinary rule of administering justice in human tribunals, his testimony is unjustly presumed to be false, until it is proved to be true. This treatment, moreover, has been applied to them all in a body; and, without due regard to the fact, that, being independent historians, writing at different periods, they are entitled to the support of each other: they have been treated, in the argument, almost as if the New Testament were the entire production, at once, of a body of men, conspiring by a joint fabrication, to impose a false religion upon the world. It is time that this injustice should cease; that the testimony of the evangelists should be admitted to be true, until it can be disproved by those who would impugn it; that the silence of one sacred writer on any point, should no more detract from his own veracity or that of the other historians, than the like circumstance is permitted to do among profane writers; and that the Four Evangelists should be admitted in corroboration of each other, as readily as Josephus and Tacitus, or Polybius and Livy.

But if the burden of establishing the credibility of the evangelists were devolved on those who affirm the truth of their narratives, it is still capable of a ready moral demonstration, still capable of a ready moral demonstration, when we consider the nature and character of the testimony, and the essential marks of difference between true narratives of facts and the creations of falsehoods. It is universally admitted that the credit to be given to witnesses depends chiefly on their ability to discern and comprehend what was before them, their opportunities for observation, the degree of accuracy with which they are accustomed to mark passing events, and their integrity in relating them. The rule of municipal law on this subject embraces all these particulars, and is thus stated by a legal text- writer of the highest repute.

Dr Simon Greenleaf-One of Harvard's founders

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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2012, 01:49:49 pm »
Your cut & paste hogwash is devoid of logical reasoning since it's an attempt to avoid being responsible for having the burden of proof to substantiate a posited claim.  The witness is not presumed to be credible if that witness testimony requires a 'leap of faith' in lieu of supporting evidence.  Unsupported 'testimony' remains hearsay unless corroborated by evidence, (which is not further uncorroborated testimony).  The irrational 'article' quoted is merely a specious attempt at justifying religious faith and that remains a belief for which there is no evidence.

In the absence of circumstances which generate suspicion, every witness is to be presumed credible, until the contrary is shown; the burden of impeaching his credibility lying on the objector.  

This rule serves to show the injustice with which the writers of the Gospels have ever been treated by infidels; and injustice silently acquiesced in even by Christians; in requiring the Christian affirmatively, and by positive evidence, aliunde, to establish the credibility of his witnesses above all others, before their testimony is entitled to be considered, and in permitting the testimony of a single profane writer, alone and uncorroborated, to outweigh that of any single Christian. This is not the course in courts of chancery, where the testimony of a single witness is never permitted to outweigh the oath even of the defendant himself, interested as he is in the cause; but, on the contrary, if the plaintiff, after having required the oath of his adversary, cannot overthrow it by something more than the oath of one witness, however credible, it must stand as evidence against him. But the Christian writer seems, by the usual course of the argument, to have been deprived of the common presumption of charity in his favor; and reversing the ordinary rule of administering justice in human tribunals, his testimony is unjustly presumed to be false, until it is proved to be true. This treatment, moreover, has been applied to them all in a body; and, without due regard to the fact, that, being independent historians, writing at different periods, they are entitled to the support of each other: they have been treated, in the argument, almost as if the New Testament were the entire production, at once, of a body of men, conspiring by a joint fabrication, to impose a false religion upon the world. It is time that this injustice should cease; that the testimony of the evangelists should be admitted to be true, until it can be disproved by those who would impugn it; that the silence of one sacred writer on any point, should no more detract from his own veracity or that of the other historians, than the like circumstance is permitted to do among profane writers; and that the Four Evangelists should be admitted in corroboration of each other, as readily as Josephus and Tacitus, or Polybius and Livy.

But if the burden of establishing the credibility of the evangelists were devolved on those who affirm the truth of their narratives, it is still capable of a ready moral demonstration, still capable of a ready moral demonstration, when we consider the nature and character of the testimony, and the essential marks of difference between true narratives of facts and the creations of falsehoods. It is universally admitted that the credit to be given to witnesses depends chiefly on their ability to discern and comprehend what was before them, their opportunities for observation, the degree of accuracy with which they are accustomed to mark passing events, and their integrity in relating them. The rule of municipal law on this subject embraces all these particulars, and is thus stated by a legal text- writer of the highest repute.

Dr Simon Greenleaf-One of Harvard's founders
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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2012, 02:31:40 pm »
I found a button on someone's reply that allowed me to ignore them. By pushing the ignore button you cant see anything they do on threads. You can see their screenname, but not the message. I love it. I used it on Falcon9 the other day and now its like her rude typing skills that exclude knowledge or skills has vanished. :)
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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2012, 02:43:44 pm »
I have Falcon9 on ignore as well.I'm sure falcon has the record of being the most ignored poster in the forum.

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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2012, 02:44:47 pm »
Others who have not buried their heads in the sands of ignorance can still read posts that you've 'ignored' by not ignoring, (e.g., posting remarks about posts you've allegedly ignored).  Such faith-blinded hypocrisy seems typical of irrational religious adherents.  Especially when they cannot comprehend dissenting viewpoints which include knowledge and reasoning skills.

I found a button on someone's reply that allowed me to ignore them. By pushing the ignore button you cant see anything they do on threads. You can see their screenname, but not the message. I love it. I used it on Falcon9 the other day and now its like her rude typing skills that exclude knowledge or skills has vanished. :)
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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2012, 02:45:55 pm »
You keep claiming that, as well as randomly 'un-ignoring' and re-ignoring, all while not ignoring.  That simply makes you ignorant of what "ignoring" actually means.

I have Falcon9 on ignore as well.I'm sure falcon has the record of being the most ignored poster in the forum.
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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2012, 02:56:14 pm »
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But if the burden of establishing the credibility of the evangelists were devolved on those who affirm the truth of their narratives, it is still capable of a ready moral demonstration, still capable of a ready moral demonstration,

Though I congratulate you on attempting to push some substance into this thread, no one should trust a post (even if it's a copy/paste) from an individual who defends slavery and stoning children.

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I have Falcon9 on ignore as well.I'm sure falcon has the record of being the most ignored poster in the forum.

Though I may be wrong, I'd actually challenge this claim. We've had some psycho people (Falcon9- I know you're not a psycho as I'm just stating others probably have a larger ignore-base) on this forum who suffered from schizophrenia and a lot of people put them on ignore including myself (very very strange posts). I even got a death threat from one user who believed she was a psychic christian! I can't believe I remembered that! lol
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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2012, 03:01:27 pm »
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But if the burden of establishing the credibility of the evangelists were devolved on those who affirm the truth of their narratives, it is still capable of a ready moral demonstration, still capable of a ready moral demonstration ...

Though I congratulate you on attempting to push some substance into this thread, no one should trust a post (even if it's a copy/paste) from an individual who defends slavery and stoning children.

As well as a c&p requote which attempts to avoid the burden of proof responsibility and insists that others simply take a "witness's" 'word for it'.

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I have Falcon9 on ignore as well.I'm sure falcon has the record of being the most ignored poster in the forum.

Though I may be wrong, I'd actually challenge this claim. We've had some psycho people on this forum who suffered from schizophrenia and a lot of people put them on ignore including myself (very very strange posts). I even got a death threat from one user who believed she was a psychic christian! I can't believe I remembered that! lol

There are some literal religious fundamentalists who may verge on that edge now.  Regardless, if I recall correctly, Kohler had estimated that my posts were the "most ignored" since he'd been with FC.  What this means is, there are a lot of xtian 'ostriches' on FC.
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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2012, 03:09:33 pm »
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As well as a c&p requote which attempts to avoid the burden of proof responsibility and insists that others simply take a "witness's" 'word for it'.

An elementary logical fallacy from a fundamentalist? Stop the presses!

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Regardless, if I recall correctly, Kohler had estimated that my posts were the "most ignored" since he'd been with FC.  What this means is, there are a lot of xtian 'ostriches' on FC.

I wish more users would challenge your claims rather than immediately bite at any word that appears rude.

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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2012, 03:51:57 pm »
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As well as a c&p requote which attempts to avoid the burden of proof responsibility and insists that others simply take a "witness's" 'word for it'.

An elementary logical fallacy from a fundamentalist? Stop the presses!

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Regardless, if I recall correctly, Kohler had estimated that my posts were the "most ignored" since he'd been with FC.  What this means is, there are a lot of xtian 'ostriches' on FC.

I wish more users would challenge your claims rather than immediately bite at any word that appears rude.

Logical challenges requesting substantiation differ from illogical challenges to 'prove something isn't', however. 
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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2012, 05:45:20 pm »
well..there is certainly a  case for using the ignore button on some of this nastiness.

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Re: We wrestle not against flesh and blood...
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2012, 06:11:31 pm »
well..there is certainly a  case for using the ignore button on some of this nastiness.

Indeed; especially from offensive religious proselytizing.  Another option is to oppose such with reason while the faith-blinded bury their heads in the sands of ignorance.
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