Subforum suggestion

[TOMAS7]

So what would be so difficult about someone starting a new topic in the discussion board-other topic area for religious posts, and another one for wiccan- etc even with something like that posts have a way of wandering and not ending up where they should be. That alone has been a topic of much discussion here but it might be worth a try, just in case folks might be able to take advantage of something that is already in place.

[southernhorizons]

Even if there were such a board, it wouldn't matter. Given the number of religious threads that are not in the off topic/debate forum, they would still post everywhere. 

Yes, but then the posters couldn't claim "persecution," if they choose not to use the "persecution-free" subforum.

[southernhorizons]

Asking for prayers is not proselytization. Here is the definition of proselytization copied from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary:
Definition of PROSELYTIZE

intransitive verb
1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith

2 : to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause


transitive verb
: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

Asking for prayers is not trying to recruit someone to one's faith; in fact it implies that you're asking people who already subscribe to that faith.
The "platform for unopposed religious propaganda" (according to falcon) could be used just as well by him or any other atheist to "proselytize" or recruit someone to their way of thinking, as well.
I did not make that suggestion to start a proselytizing subforum, but merely a safe haven for those who do not want to proselytize, or argue about religious beliefs, but merely to communicate with those who already have those beliefs (like asking for prayers.)
No one has to read all the posts. If someone doesn't want to be "proselytized", there is no need for them to read posts which have religious topics.

[JediJohnnie]

We already have a seperate subforum. it's called the D&D.That's where posters are supposed to go when they are looking for a debate over an issue.Topics posted in Off Topic were meant to be exempt from constant arguing.For the most part,atheists have used this properly.Falcon is the only one who has really abused the OT area.

The only way a religious subforum would work,would be if falcon were kept out via password protection,otherwise he's just gonna follow and harrass folks in there.

[falcon9]

Asking for prayers is not proselytization.

Asking for "prayers", (magical intercessory rituals on the behalf of others), proselytizes/promotes religious beliefs regarding "prayer".
 

The "platform for unopposed religious propaganda" (according to falcon) could be used just as well by him or any other atheist to "proselytize" or recruit someone to their way of thinking, as well.

Since "athesism" is not a belief, (it's a lack of religious beliefs), then logically, it cannot be proselytized therefore, your false conclusion is intended to obscure your suggestion for an unopposed xtian propaganda platform.

I did not make that suggestion to start a proselytizing subforum, but merely a safe haven for those who do not want to proselytize, or argue about religious beliefs, but merely to communicate with those who already have those beliefs (like asking for prayers.)

Right; an unopposed propaganda platform to "communicate" "about religious beliefs" while repressing dissenting points of view - sounds like a theocratic suppression of speech.

No one has to read all the posts. If someone doesn't want to be "proselytized", there is no need for them to read posts which have religious topics.

No one has to read any dissenting points of view either but, several of teh more repressive xtians here want to completely suppress them.

[falcon9]

Even if there were such a board, it wouldn't matter. Given the number of religious threads that are not in the off topic/debate forum, they would still post everywhere.  

Yes, but then the posters couldn't claim "persecution," if they choose not to use the "persecution-free" subforum.

Firstly, they still claim "persecution" where there is none while spamming unrelated forums and threads with religious propagandizing so, "Optiwoman's" observation is correct.  Secondly, a "persecution-free subforum" is a call for repressive suppression of dissent and an inherently despicable suggestion as such.

[ashley0kay]

There seems to be a lot of complaints about so-called Christian "persecution", rudeness, etc. when certain people post religious threads and don't like the negative responses. I suspect that a lot of times, they are doing it to start an argument, at least they know the consequences before they post, so they are not exactly innocent victims.
Anyway, maybe Admin could start a subforum for non-discussion posts, so that people who want to ask for prayers, or post daily bible quotes, or even daily wiccan spells (or whatever they're called), can do so without being challenged. Then if they post these things in the regular forums, they have no one but themselves to blame for the attacks.

[falcon9]

There seems to be a lot of complaints about so-called Christian "persecution", rudeness, etc. when certain people post religious threads and don't like the negative responses. I suspect that a lot of times, they are doing it to start an argument, at least they know the consequences before they post, so they are not exactly innocent victims.
Anyway, maybe Admin could start a subforum for non-discussion posts, so that people who want to ask for prayers, or post daily bible quotes, or even daily wiccan spells (or whatever they're called), can do so without being challenged. Then if they post these things in the regular forums, they have no one but themselves to blame for the attacks.

A "suggestion" for unopposed religious propagandizing is a call for suppresive censorship.  It promotes blind faith and religious superstition by 'suggesting' that a platform for unopposed religious propaganda be established when there already is a forum, (Off Topic), and subforum, (Debate & Discuss), available for such topics.  Apparently, there are some religious adherents who would suppress dissent if they could and are 'suggesting' that FC do so.  That's not only reprehensible, it's un-American and suppression was not what I served in the military to protect.

These forums are not moderated to suppress dissent against superstitious religious beliefs nor, to promote such beliefs.  Those who have the option to express such "faith" do not have the option to suppress dissent.  Those with dissenting viewpoints have the same option as religious adherents, otherwise it's a one-way street which should be opposed.

[falcon9]

Falcon is the only one who has really abused the OT area.

If you're going to lie, make it more plausible instead of being a biased opinion without basis, (no such 'abuse' has occurred except by religious adherents spamming the Off Topic forum with incessant superstitious propgandizing).

The only way a religious subforum would work,would be if falcon were kept out via password protection,otherwise he's just gonna follow and harrass folks in there.

The 'suggestion' to block an FC member by 'nym just to suppress dissent suggests harassment and selective censorship.  This is repellant and repressive, even for a repressive xtian fundie.

[duroz]

falcon9, my good man......

HOW do you do it??

There is now two threads going (thinly attempted to be disguised as another topic) that pretty much are all about YOU!!

 

Don't you feel VERY VERY special?? I know I feel very very special posting this to you........
 

[falcon9]

falcon9, my good man......

HOW do you do it??

There is now two threads going (thinly attempted to be disguised as another topic) that pretty much are all about YOU!!

 

Don't you feel VERY VERY special?? I know I feel very very special posting this to you........
 

Those who support repression apparently will stoop to any attempt to suppress dissenting viewpoints.

[jcribb16]

Asking for prayers is not proselytization. Here is the definition of proselytization copied from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary:
Definition of PROSELYTIZE

intransitive verb
1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith

2 : to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause


transitive verb
: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

Asking for prayers is not trying to recruit someone to one's faith; in fact it implies that you're asking people who already subscribe to that faith.
The "platform for unopposed religious propaganda" (according to falcon) could be used just as well by him or any other atheist to "proselytize" or recruit someone to their way of thinking, as well.
I did not make that suggestion to start a proselytizing subforum, but merely a safe haven for those who do not want to proselytize, or argue about religious beliefs, but merely to communicate with those who already have those beliefs (like asking for prayers.)
No one has to read all the posts. If someone doesn't want to be "proselytized", there is no need for them to read posts which have religious topics.

I see exactly what you are saying.  Since we have Bible verse threads and prayer threads, and they are already inundated with opposition from a select few, it is very obvious that they would do the same thing if it was set up "persecution-free (so-to-speak,) because they would cry that they were being restricted from sharing their opposition.  

At one time, the Bible verse threads and prayer thread, and even quote threads were really fun.  People who were interested shared back and forth, asked for prayers, shared answers to prayers, offered encouragement, support, and inspiration to others, and there was none of these accusations of them being labeled "proselytizing," except for an occasional poster who would share their opposition of something, but that was fine.  The only real heated and sparked Bible threads were the Debate and Discuss ones where it was noted to "enter at your own risk."  There I can see and agree that things would be said that are being said in the Bible verse threads - and "enter at your own risk" serves as a warning for that.  

I like the idea, but it won't be left alone, unless by choice, and it's obvious that won't happen.  

[jcribb16]

Even if there were such a board, it wouldn't matter. Given the number of religious threads that are not in the off topic/debate forum, they would still post everywhere.  

Yes, but then the posters couldn't claim "persecution," if they choose not to use the "persecution-free" subforum.

Firstly, they still claim "persecution" where there is none while spamming unrelated forums and threads with religious propagandizing so, "Optiwoman's" observation is correct.  Secondly, a "persecution-free subforum" is a call for repressive suppression of dissent and an inherently despicable suggestion as such.

Sounds like whining and worrying is going on...

[falcon9]

I did not make that suggestion to start a proselytizing subforum, but merely a safe haven for those who do not want to proselytize, or argue about religious beliefs, but merely to communicate with those who already have those beliefs (like asking for prayers.)
No one has to read all the posts. If someone doesn't want to be "proselytized", there is no need for them to read posts which have religious topics.

I see exactly what you are saying.  Since we have Bible verse threads and prayer threads, and they are already inundated with opposition from a select few, it is very obvious that they would do the same thing if it was set up "persecution-free (so-to-speak,) because they would cry that they were being restricted from sharing their opposition.    

It isn't a "cry", it's pointing out that the suggestion specifically includes censoring oppostion posts, (which makes a suggestion for such a subforum an exclusive xtian 'preserve' which is intended to exclude non-xtian opposition to religious propagandizing).  The bottomline being that the "suggestion" to establish a subforum for unopposed religious propagandizing is inherently repressive/suppressive and offensive.

[jcribb16]

I did not make that suggestion to start a proselytizing subforum, but merely a safe haven for those who do not want to proselytize, or argue about religious beliefs, but merely to communicate with those who already have those beliefs (like asking for prayers.)
No one has to read all the posts. If someone doesn't want to be "proselytized", there is no need for them to read posts which have religious topics.

I see exactly what you are saying.  Since we have Bible verse threads and prayer threads, and they are already inundated with opposition from a select few, it is very obvious that they would do the same thing if it was set up "persecution-free (so-to-speak,) because they would cry that they were being restricted from sharing their opposition.    

It isn't a "cry", it's pointing out that the suggestion specifically includes censoring oppostion posts, (which makes a suggestion for such a subforum an exclusive xtian 'preserve' which is intended to exclude non-xtian opposition to religious propagandizing).  The bottomline being that the "suggestion" to establish a subforum for unopposed religious propagandizing is inherently repressive/suppressive and offensive.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we already know what you're saying - we hear it all the time.  I didn't say I disagreed with it, anyway.  It's a great idea, but it hasn't worked before and won't now, because of the reason you keep throwing in our faces.  It's still repressive/suppression/offensive/condemning/judgmental/intolerant/disrespectful to constantly badger only believers' threads when they aren't debating, but are topics of choice for some who do enjoy them.  Other posters, typically ignore them, while going strong in the debate ones, but oh no, you can't let Christians or believers in whoever they choose have their freedom to share and express with each other - verses, prayers, quotes, etc. - you have to try and hush/scold/reprimand and be just plain hateful.  They aren't bothering you.

 I don't care if you like the topic title or not - it's allowed.  Otherwise, you would have a leg to stand on.  Make an atheist thread.  I don't believe that view, but others do and if they want to share back and forth, that's great.  If they want to debate and it's in the Debate area, then yes, that would change things.

You don't have an issue with Wiccans discussing - especially since you even took the opportunity to make your own thread.  You have mentioned posting other "legit" religions, including Satanism.  Why do you seem to tolerate those others and don't mess with them, and even encourage conversation, yet you bash believers for even attempting a verse or quote thread.  It's very obvious the hatred you have and I have never known any military person to be as intolerant as you are, when it comes to people who choose God.