proof evolution is not true

[totosli_08]

For those who don't believe in God, why do you care about the people who do?  Does it harm you if they do?

The issue is not belief.  The issue is the pressing of belief and the suppression of any differing belief.  If the belief was kept private within the churches and homes, there wouldn't be any issues.  Instead, there seems to be some kind of innate force within some religious beliefs that commands a lot of people to run out and push it into every possible aspect of other people's lives.  Now, this wouldn't be a huge deal if it wasn't for this:  You cannot criticize it, even when it's negatively impacting people.  You can't touch religion in the US (fortunately, this is changing a bit as of late).  You can't do hardly anything that directly contradicts religion without having a cat fight on your hands.

You can't even put up a timid billboard such as, "You can be good without God."  There are literally dozens and dozens of examples across this country of those kinds of signs/billboards being forcefully removed by Christian organizations (some stolen, some defaced, some lobby state/local governments, etc.).  In many towns, the first utterance of "I don't believe in God" will get you shunned from everything.

Here's some fun stats on what people think about non-Christians (note the view of atheists):

Percentages of people saying they would refuse to vote for "a generally well-qualified person for president" on the basis of some characteristic; in parenthesis are the figures for earlier years:

      Catholic: 4% (1937: 30%)
      Black: 5% (1958: 63%, 1987: 21%)
      Jewish: 6% (1937: 47%)
      Baptist: 6%
      Woman: 8%
      Mormon: 17%
      Muslim: 38%
      Gay: 37% (1978: 74%)
      Atheist: 48%

I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group....

      Atheist: 47.6%
      Muslim: 33.5%
      African-American 27.2%
      Asian-Americans: 18.5%
      Hispanics: 18.5%
      Jews: 11.8%
      Conservative Christians: 6.9%
      Whites: 2.3%

Gallup has been asking people about whether they would vote for atheists for president for quite some time. Here are the numbers who have said "no" over the years:

      February 1999: 48%
      August 1987: 48%
      April 1983: 51%
      July 1978: 53%
      December 1959: 74%
      September 1958: 77%
      August 1958: 75%

In 2003, the Pew Research Center conducted a poll on "religion and public life" which asked people about their attitudes towards a variety of groups, including atheists. People's opinions of atheists break down:

      Very Favorable: 7%
      Mostly Favorable: 27%
      Mostly Unfavorable: 19%
      Very Unfavorable: 33%

Here are the numbers of born-again Christians who regard the impact of these groups as negative:

      Islam: 71%
      Buddhism: 76%
      Scientology: 81%
      Atheism: 92%

Here are the numbers of non-Christians who view the impact of the same groups as negative:

      Islam: 24%
      Buddhism: 22%
      Scientology: 30%
      Atheism: 50%

Do you think there's a problem with this?

To answer your question of "does it harm you:"  Well, usually not directly and not all the time.  Indirectly, certainly and a lot of the time.

ok ..so people who believe in god should not be able to freely speak out on there religious but hide amoungest the churches and in our homes ..dont you think that sounds kind of discriminating... for us to be scared to even speak what we belive out in public

[frosty11x]

If evolution was true, explain how the eye, probably one of the most complex parts about the human body, evolved...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Eye+evolution

"Darwin acknowledged from the start that the eye would be a difficult case for his new theory to explain. Difficult, but not impossible. Scientists have come up with scenarios through which the first eye-like structure, a light-sensitive pigmented spot on the skin, could have gone through changes and complexities to form the human eye, with its many parts and astounding abilities.

Through natural selection, different types of eyes have emerged in evolutionary history -- and the human eye isn't even the best one, from some standpoints. Because blood vessels run across the surface of the retina instead of beneath it, it's easy for the vessels to proliferate or leak and impair vision. So, the evolution theorists say, the anti-evolution argument that life was created by an "intelligent designer" doesn't hold water: If God or some other omnipotent force was responsible for the human eye, it was something of a botched design."

I have a much simpler way of how everything evolved...

Genesis 1:1: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

and man and woman

Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his own image,
                   in the image of God he created him;
                   male and female he created them.

[eSineM]

ok ..so people who believe in god should not be able to freely speak out on there religious but hide amoungest the churches and in our homes ..dont you think that sounds kind of discriminating... for us to be scared to even speak what we belive out in public

Yeah I do think that's discrimination. Not sure why you would even suggest it? haha

I have a much simpler way of how everything evolved...

Oh so it's in the interest of simplicity! I have an easier one than if we can just make up simple explanations!  In the beginning everything was! and always will be. Or even better, none of this ever was and it currently is all an illusion. Both points of view are even simpler, no creation even needed. Do I win for simplicity now and you will change your beliefs? haha

have a much simpler way of how everything evolved...

Genesis 1:1: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

and man and woman

Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his own image,
                  in the image of God he created him;
                  male and female he created them.

I love it when you ask people how they can prove the bible is real, and they quote the bible saying "the bible says ..." hahahah

how do you know the bible was written by god? easy.. the bible says that god spoke through his messengers etc. etc.

It's just so funny, it's total brainwashing. They don't see the irony here?

[Falconer02]

I have a much simpler way of how everything evolved...

Well again, I don't want to sound nasty or anything but please understand this what most of us are arguing against. Quoting the bible is such a close-minded argument! Other religions too have similar notions and say we were formed in different ways that don't make any rational sense. The point of researching evolution is trying to decypher where we came from and how. People dedicate their lives trying to solve the questions that are popping up everywhere about this subject.

Do me a small favor and go to page 9 of this thread and go to the bottom-- there's a picture I posted that I think you should see just to give you an idea of the contradictions of our statements. Does that make sense?

[2persian4u]

Evolution assumes that man dropped out of the trees 1 to 5 million years ago and became fully human approximately one hundred thousand years ago. Yet archeological records show civilization arising only about five thousand years ago (based on evolutionary thinking). In other words, by evolutionary reasoning, it took mankind ninety-five thousand years—after becoming fully human—to figure out that food could be produced by dropping a seed into the ground!

thats just some proof theres tons of more proof just search around..........there is a CREATOR its GOD........who believes me??

Okay, well I don't mean to be rude but this is why there is a separation of Church and State. Just as there should be a separation of science and religion. Hmm.. so let me guess, so you believe rather than man originated from a guy, a rib-lady, and a talking snake. Makes perfect sense.

[Falconer02]

wish you would get banned for how you talk to people.

Also, ever heard it takes one to know one

Did you even read his post to me?

I'd ask for an explanation for your post but I know it wouldn't make sense to anyone or it would be completely out of context. I assume from your post history that everyone would agree. And no, this post is not supposed to be mean.

[liljp617]

Because of this simple fact: Nothing has been proved yet.

You ask believers to prove there is a God, Prove there isn't one! Prove it was a Big Bang, Prove it Was Evolution.

PROVE IT, WILL YOU PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you prove it?

Again, you do not prove things don't exist.  That is impossible, because it's plainly illogical.  I don't know how many people have to tell you that before it sinks in.  The inability to prove something doesn't exist, doesn't mean it exists.  Again, prove there isn't a giant invisible cotton candy monster in my closet.  You can't.  Does that increase the likelihood that there is a cotton candy monster in my closet?  Not in the least bit.

I have made multiple posts pointing towards the proof and evidence supporting the Big Bang Theory and Evolution, and there are libraries full of books that cover it more in depth than I will ever go into on a forum where nobody reads posts.

[liljp617]

WOAH! Jerry1216, you are the funniest misinformed childish hateful naive ignorant delusional person in this entire thread! Does anyone really need me to post proof of why? I'm sure anyone with an ounce of brain power can figure it out...wow...just...wow....

*wipes tear of joy from eye*

Well...it was an honor reading your misspelled grammatically-incorrect gibberish. Great job for doing more damage to the Christian image than any other person in this forum could probably ever do!   I tip my hat to you, sir. When it comes to extremism, you truly are the king of kings!

I wish you would get banned for how you talk to people.

Also, ever heard it takes one to know one

You should tell the same thing to the Jerry Falwell-esque creature typing in caps lock for us "WICKED PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF AMERICA AND BURN IN HELL!"  Humorous, but hold both sides to equal standards will you?

[liljp617]

If evolution was true, explain how the eye, probably one of the most complex parts about the human body, evolved...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Eye+evolution

"Darwin acknowledged from the start that the eye would be a difficult case for his new theory to explain. Difficult, but not impossible. Scientists have come up with scenarios through which the first eye-like structure, a light-sensitive pigmented spot on the skin, could have gone through changes and complexities to form the human eye, with its many parts and astounding abilities.

Through natural selection, different types of eyes have emerged in evolutionary history -- and the human eye isn't even the best one, from some standpoints. Because blood vessels run across the surface of the retina instead of beneath it, it's easy for the vessels to proliferate or leak and impair vision. So, the evolution theorists say, the anti-evolution argument that life was created by an "intelligent designer" doesn't hold water: If God or some other omnipotent force was responsible for the human eye, it was something of a botched design."

I have a much simpler way of how everything evolved...

Genesis 1:1: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

and man and woman

Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his own image,
                   in the image of God he created him;
                   male and female he created them.

A) That's not evolving.  Perhaps you're uncertain what the word "evolve" means?

B)  Simpler is not equal to the truth.

C)  The idea of an omniscient, omnipotent, invisible, undetectable being creating everything in the snap of a finger is not simple.  It is arguably infinitely complex; in other words, the opposite of simple.

[liljp617]

For those who don't believe in God, why do you care about the people who do?  Does it harm you if they do?

The issue is not belief.  The issue is the pressing of belief and the suppression of any differing belief.  If the belief was kept private within the churches and homes, there wouldn't be any issues.  Instead, there seems to be some kind of innate force within some religious beliefs that commands a lot of people to run out and push it into every possible aspect of other people's lives.  Now, this wouldn't be a huge deal if it wasn't for this:  You cannot criticize it, even when it's negatively impacting people.  You can't touch religion in the US (fortunately, this is changing a bit as of late).  You can't do hardly anything that directly contradicts religion without having a cat fight on your hands.

You can't even put up a timid billboard such as, "You can be good without God."  There are literally dozens and dozens of examples across this country of those kinds of signs/billboards being forcefully removed by Christian organizations (some stolen, some defaced, some lobby state/local governments, etc.).  In many towns, the first utterance of "I don't believe in God" will get you shunned from everything.

Here's some fun stats on what people think about non-Christians (note the view of atheists):

Percentages of people saying they would refuse to vote for "a generally well-qualified person for president" on the basis of some characteristic; in parenthesis are the figures for earlier years:

      Catholic: 4% (1937: 30%)
      Black: 5% (1958: 63%, 1987: 21%)
      Jewish: 6% (1937: 47%)
      Baptist: 6%
      Woman: 8%
      Mormon: 17%
      Muslim: 38%
      Gay: 37% (1978: 74%)
      Atheist: 48%

I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group....

      Atheist: 47.6%
      Muslim: 33.5%
      African-American 27.2%
      Asian-Americans: 18.5%
      Hispanics: 18.5%
      Jews: 11.8%
      Conservative Christians: 6.9%
      Whites: 2.3%

Gallup has been asking people about whether they would vote for atheists for president for quite some time. Here are the numbers who have said "no" over the years:

      February 1999: 48%
      August 1987: 48%
      April 1983: 51%
      July 1978: 53%
      December 1959: 74%
      September 1958: 77%
      August 1958: 75%

In 2003, the Pew Research Center conducted a poll on "religion and public life" which asked people about their attitudes towards a variety of groups, including atheists. People's opinions of atheists break down:

      Very Favorable: 7%
      Mostly Favorable: 27%
      Mostly Unfavorable: 19%
      Very Unfavorable: 33%

Here are the numbers of born-again Christians who regard the impact of these groups as negative:

      Islam: 71%
      Buddhism: 76%
      Scientology: 81%
      Atheism: 92%

Here are the numbers of non-Christians who view the impact of the same groups as negative:

      Islam: 24%
      Buddhism: 22%
      Scientology: 30%
      Atheism: 50%

Do you think there's a problem with this?

To answer your question of "does it harm you:"  Well, usually not directly and not all the time.  Indirectly, certainly and a lot of the time.

ok ..so people who believe in god should not be able to freely speak out on there religious but hide amoungest the churches and in our homes ..dont you think that sounds kind of discriminating... for us to be scared to even speak what we belive out in public

Well, considering I have been told countless times by religious people that it is a "private belief," I would think it would be okay to ask people to keep it private.  And what I meant by keep it in churches/homes is to not stand on street corners screaming about people burning in hell.  I meant keep it out of politics.  I meant keep it out of environments it doesn't belong in.  I meant stop pushing it into every aspect of people's lives, when those people probably don't want it in their lives.

Really, if somebody wants to waste their days screaming on a street corner, that's rightfully protected by the First Amendment and I will gladly defend their right to do it before allowing the First Amendment to be pushed out of society.  But don't get angry or "offended" when somebody starts to criticize the nonsense that is being spewed.  If you want to scream about religion and push it everywhere you can, don't cry about people who insult it and say it's ridiculous.

[gooddudz]

For those who don't believe in God, why do you care about the people who do?  Does it harm you if they do?

The issue is not belief.  The issue is the pressing of belief and the suppression of any differing belief.  If the belief was kept private within the churches and homes, there wouldn't be any issues.  Instead, there seems to be some kind of innate force within some religious beliefs that commands a lot of people to run out and push it into every possible aspect of other people's lives.  Now, this wouldn't be a huge deal if it wasn't for this:  You cannot criticize it, even when it's negatively impacting people.  You can't touch religion in the US (fortunately, this is changing a bit as of late).  You can't do hardly anything that directly contradicts religion without having a cat fight on your hands.

You can't even put up a timid billboard such as, "You can be good without God."  There are literally dozens and dozens of examples across this country of those kinds of signs/billboards being forcefully removed by Christian organizations (some stolen, some defaced, some lobby state/local governments, etc.).  In many towns, the first utterance of "I don't believe in God" will get you shunned from everything.

Here's some fun stats on what people think about non-Christians (note the view of atheists):

Percentages of people saying they would refuse to vote for "a generally well-qualified person for president" on the basis of some characteristic; in parenthesis are the figures for earlier years:

      Catholic: 4% (1937: 30%)
      Black: 5% (1958: 63%, 1987: 21%)
      Jewish: 6% (1937: 47%)
      Baptist: 6%
      Woman: 8%
      Mormon: 17%
      Muslim: 38%
      Gay: 37% (1978: 74%)
      Atheist: 48%

I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group....

      Atheist: 47.6%
      Muslim: 33.5%
      African-American 27.2%
      Asian-Americans: 18.5%
      Hispanics: 18.5%
      Jews: 11.8%
      Conservative Christians: 6.9%
      Whites: 2.3%

Gallup has been asking people about whether they would vote for atheists for president for quite some time. Here are the numbers who have said "no" over the years:

      February 1999: 48%
      August 1987: 48%
      April 1983: 51%
      July 1978: 53%
      December 1959: 74%
      September 1958: 77%
      August 1958: 75%

In 2003, the Pew Research Center conducted a poll on "religion and public life" which asked people about their attitudes towards a variety of groups, including atheists. People's opinions of atheists break down:

      Very Favorable: 7%
      Mostly Favorable: 27%
      Mostly Unfavorable: 19%
      Very Unfavorable: 33%

Here are the numbers of born-again Christians who regard the impact of these groups as negative:

      Islam: 71%
      Buddhism: 76%
      Scientology: 81%
      Atheism: 92%

Here are the numbers of non-Christians who view the impact of the same groups as negative:

      Islam: 24%
      Buddhism: 22%
      Scientology: 30%
      Atheism: 50%

Do you think there's a problem with this?

To answer your question of "does it harm you:"  Well, usually not directly and not all the time.  Indirectly, certainly and a lot of the time.

ok ..so people who believe in god should not be able to freely speak out on there religious but hide amoungest the churches and in our homes ..dont you think that sounds kind of discriminating... for us to be scared to even speak what we belive out in public

Well, considering I have been told countless times by religious people that it is a "private belief," I would think it would be okay to ask people to keep it private.  And what I meant by keep it in churches/homes is to not stand on street corners screaming about people burning in hell.  I meant keep it out of politics.  I meant keep it out of environments it doesn't belong in.  I meant stop pushing it into every aspect of people's lives, when those people probably don't want it in their lives.

Really, if somebody wants to waste their days screaming on a street corner, that's rightfully protected by the First Amendment and I will gladly defend their right to do it before allowing the First Amendment to be pushed out of society.  But don't get angry or "offended" when somebody starts to criticize the nonsense that is being spewed.  If you want to scream about religion and push it everywhere you can, don't cry about people who insult it and say it's ridiculous.

Well, you DO have to consider political correctness.  I'm sure in some places certain religions and cultures are preferred over others.

[gooddudz]

Because of this simple fact: Nothing has been proved yet.

You ask believers to prove there is a God, Prove there isn't one! Prove it was a Big Bang, Prove it Was Evolution.

PROVE IT, WILL YOU PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you prove it?

Again, you do not prove things don't exist.  That is impossible, because it's plainly illogical.  I don't know how many people have to tell you that before it sinks in.  The inability to prove something doesn't exist, doesn't mean it exists.  Again, prove there isn't a giant invisible cotton candy monster in my closet.  You can't.  Does that increase the likelihood that there is a cotton candy monster in my closet?  Not in the least bit.

I have made multiple posts pointing towards the proof and evidence supporting the Big Bang Theory and Evolution, and there are libraries full of books that cover it more in depth than I will ever go into on a forum where nobody reads posts.

Yes, you can prove things don't exist. In this case I was asking for you to prove to me that God doesn't exist by proving what does exist. Those are theories and are not proven.

It's like me saying I have a theory that there is life on Earth, that would make no sense since it is the truth.

just as a side note: the definition of theory is a near-fact that has been proven many many times.  Not to be mean or anything.  

[Falconer02]

Seems like everything I post either you or Falconer02 have to say all kinds of mean and hateful things. I don't like you calling me personally, ignornant or whatever else you can say. I haven't had a problem with Jerry.

If you can't argue and take offense to everything, why post here? What keeps bothering myself and others is you are told the way things are but still defend your stance which originally made no sense. It seems you fail to understand the concepts and make up your own scattered ones. Even you yourself have said some very offensive and ignorant things here and in other threads (technology is the devil!). Does that sound mean? Because I don't want to be. I'm just stating the trend I've seen from you so you can decypher why we're replying to your posts.

And Jerrys post is an insult to anyone who's not a crazy religious zealot. He is insanely and hilariously offensive. How unchristian of him.

[lynnc35]

Evolution is an excuse not to follow the Lord, it is an excuse to live as a heathen in my opinion. It is for people that have the wool pulled over their eyes, who are bound by the chains of refusal to believe in our Lord.

[manohman]

I do believe in God and in Jesus ... but am more spiritual than religious. Do I believe in evolution or creation? I believe that there are many things that mankind can not even begin to fathom and that science tries to categorize everything even things that they have not a clue about. Ironically, I kinda feel that the Bible has been in a way corrupted by man for his own purpose and reasons ... especially the New Testament, where King James and a few others in a position of power decided what to add and not to add to it.

The ideology of Jesus whether you believe or not in his Divinity is peace, love, and understanding with compassion and forgiveness towards others ... even if not Divine, a person would truly be a better person by living by these teachings.