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A while back I requested prayer and I appreciate all those who prayed and sent good positive thoughts my way. I didn't mean to start a lot of controversy ... I was just so distraught and REALLY needed prayer, because I DO BELIEVE in the power of prayer :angel11: Although the storm rages around me I have peace. My father is terminally ill and I really felt he was going to pass away at any moment. He has been in the Hospice House for a week ( after being in the hospital for a month) but THANK GOD!!! he is coming home today. I realize it he may pass at any time but he is comfortable, stronger and in good spirits. There are still many other issues I am dealing with but God has given me peace and strength and I know he will take care of me and all the other storms in my life.... This too shall pass. I wrote this not to be critical of those who don't believe or don't agree with prayer etc ..... just to let everyone know I DO BELIEVE and I DO know that God hears our prayers and answers. Also to let you know that my problems are real and dealing with someone that is terminal is very stressful. My father is 84 and my dear mother is 82 and very ill herself. My brother and I are caregivers and it takes a toll on your emotions and your physical body.
God Bless EVERYONE here at FusionCash Forum.
:heart: :peace: :heart: :peace: :heart: :peace: :heart:
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I am so glad to hear things are a little better for you now. I understand what you are going through as I was my moms caregiver before her passing. It is a very stressful time, but as we know Prayers are answered and we find the strength to carry on. God Bless you. You will stay in my prayers. :angel11:
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i'm glad he's coming home. that is good news. i wish my grandparents on my dad's side lived that long.
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Wonderful and I'll continue to keep you in my prayers tigerlilly. The "controversy" has kept you in my thoughts quite a bit, so I won't "forget". ;) God Bless You & your family!!
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There is a song by Led Zeppelin called Thank You. :thumbsup:
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[Posted by: tigerlilly01]:
I wrote this not to be critical of those who don't believe or don't agree with prayer etc .....
tigerlilly... The "controversy" has kept you in my thoughts quite a bit, so I won't "forget". ;)
You mean the "controversy" provided the opportunity for additional comforting emotional support which benefited "tigerlilly01"? Sometimes the ends do justify the means, despite appearances.
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[Posted by: tigerlilly01]:
I wrote this not to be critical of those who don't believe or don't agree with prayer etc .....
tigerlilly... The "controversy" has kept you in my thoughts quite a bit, so I won't "forget". ;)
You mean the "controversy" provided the opportunity for additional comforting emotional support which benefited "tigerlilly01"? Sometimes the ends do justify the means, despite appearances.
No, I mean God can turn your mistakes into miracles. ROFL
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[Posted by: tigerlilly01]:
I wrote this not to be critical of those who don't believe or don't agree with prayer etc .....
tigerlilly... The "controversy" has kept you in my thoughts quite a bit, so I won't "forget". ;)
You mean the "controversy" provided the opportunity for additional comforting emotional support which benefited "tigerlilly01"? Sometimes the ends do justify the means, despite appearances.
No, I mean God can turn your mistakes into miracles. ROFL
Such an attribution is false; I choose to post with the intent I had, not some mythical 'deity'. Neither did 'invisible pink unicorns' turn anything into "miracles" for that matter.
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Such an attribution is false; I choose to post with the intent I had, not some mythical 'deity'. Neither did 'invisible pink unicorns' turn anything into "miracles" for that matter.
yadda...yadda & whatever... ::)
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Stay strong I lost my mom almost a year ago to cancer my brother and I were her caregivers I know the toll it takes on you the people around you the people who don't understand........... you will be in my prayers for I know how stressful it is.
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sorry to her about your father my mother was sick with cancer and died 12 years ago so i know what your going through,to relieve stress i used to put music on and dance around the house my kids who were young then didn't mind and mom was also fine with it, but it is good to have a way to get away from the problems .hope things work out for you
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yadda...yadda & whatever... ::)
Out of respect for what the OP is going through, I'll direct my replies to you in other threads, (unless you want to 'go on the carpet' here instead).
Summarily, "whatever" and "yada yada" are the tacit cry of surrender when the cryer is losing an argument.
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[Posted by: tigerlilly01]:
I wrote this not to be critical of those who don't believe or don't agree with prayer etc .....
tigerlilly... The "controversy" has kept you in my thoughts quite a bit, so I won't "forget". ;)
You mean the "controversy" provided the opportunity for additional comforting emotional support which benefited "tigerlilly01"? Sometimes the ends do justify the means, despite appearances.
(http://i.imgur.com/9oOOt.jpg)
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[Posted by: tigerlilly01]:
I wrote this not to be critical of those who don't believe or don't agree with prayer etc .....
tigerlilly... The "controversy" has kept you in my thoughts quite a bit, so I won't "forget". ;)
You mean the "controversy" provided the opportunity for additional comforting emotional support which benefited "tigerlilly01"? Sometimes the ends do justify the means, despite appearances.
(http://i.imgur.com/9oOOt.jpg)
It may be a lot to ask but, read the posts following before having your usual knee-jerk reaction, 'sith'.
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yadda...yadda & whatever... ::)
Summarily, "whatever" and "yada yada" are the tacit cry of surrender when the cryer is losing an argument.
What argument? :dontknow:
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yadda...yadda & whatever... ::)
Summarily, "whatever" and "yada yada" are the tacit cry of surrender when the cryer is losing an argument.
What argument? :dontknow:
The one being avoided however, it's common when the cryer fails to make their point as well.
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Tigerlilly,
I'm glad your father is somewhat better and in good spirits, and is home. I will continue praying for your mom and dad; as well as you and your brother. Care giving is not easy and I know you two get tired. Take care of yourselves, too. Please continue to keep us updated. {{Hugs}}
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Oh, and you did not start any controversy in the least! You were simply asking prayer for your family. :)
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Oh, and you did not start any controversy in the least! You were simply asking prayer for your family. :)
Suddenly, "prayer" isn't a controversial subject? No doubt my copy of that memo is still resting in the fax bin.
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Oh, and you did not start any controversy in the least! You were simply asking prayer for your family. :)
Suddenly, "prayer" isn't a controversial subject? No doubt my copy of that memo is still resting in the fax bin.
Knock it off, Falcon9. Please take your problems with controversy to another thread. This thread is a thank you for ones praying for her parents. And before you tell me that you can post anywhere you want for whatever reason, it's true, but it's a lack of respect for the original poster.
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Oh, and you did not start any controversy in the least! You were simply asking prayer for your family. :)
Suddenly, "prayer" isn't a controversial subject? No doubt my copy of that memo is still resting in the fax bin.
Knock it off, Falcon9. Please take your problems with controversy to another thread.
Right back atcha.
This thread is a thank you for ones praying for her parents. And before you tell me that you can post anywhere you want for whatever reason, it's true, but it's a lack of respect for the original poster.[/color]
I wasn't the one who brought up "controversy" however, I did reply to that context. Also, in case you 'conveniently forgot', I also posted 'Out of respect for what the OP is going through, I'll direct my replies to you in other threads, (unless you want to 'go on the carpet' here instead)', a little down-thread. Since you did decide to 'go on the carpet', I replied, (but I'm not cleaning that up).
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[Posted by: tigerlilly01]:
I wrote this not to be critical of those who don't believe or don't agree with prayer etc .....
tigerlilly... The "controversy" has kept you in my thoughts quite a bit, so I won't "forget". ;)
You mean the "controversy" provided the opportunity for additional comforting emotional support which benefited "tigerlilly01"? Sometimes the ends do justify the means, despite appearances.
Yet you are the one who came in and picked up with the controversy, with this post.
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Yet you are the one who came in and picked up with the controversy, with this post.
Incorrect. That was the OP, "tigerlilly", as her previous post mentions, (as far as it not being her intent).
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I have thought long and hard and about the disrespectful comments by falcon9. It hurts me to know that there are people like you that give no thought to others pain. It may be you one day standing in the need of prayer. One day every knee shall bow and every mouth confess that JESUS is LORD! I forgive you and have no ill feelings toward you. I do PRAY for you .... that one day before it is too late you will come to know My Lord and Savior and know that he does answer prayer and that he does love you. It is not my wish to stir up controversy ... I truly believe in the power of prayer and my family is going through a horrible time. I will not comment further but did feel I needed to respond.
God Bless :angel11:
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t'lilly01,
I'm glad things have turned around a bit for you. I respectfully stayed away from posting in the prayer thread after it took a downhill turn. I am not a christian, which you, jcribb, sherlysshadow, and the other 'regulars' around here know, so I did not pray for you, but I did keep you and your family in my thoughts.
As far as being requested to pray goes, FC is NO different then being at work and having my patient's families ask if I will pray with or for them. I simply say something to the effect of "Thank you for including me, but I feel that is a private time/moment for you and I have many other tools in my box that I'm using to help your child, brother, father, etc." I either leave the room if able or ask them to use the chapel if I need to be with the family member at the time. I have never, and will never, discourage or berate them when the subject comes up. When dealing with the very real possibility of death, I feel I have NO business discouraging anything (outside of the family deciding to play doctor ;)) that will give them comfort and strength when they need it. I have hundreds of stories re the sometimes very strange things I have witnessed that people honestly believe will help. As long as they are NOT infringing on my and my nurses ability to treat, it all goes.
(I have gotten into it with a certain christian person who is no longer here, but it was when things became personal jabs and misconstruing/taking out of context my actual words - or arguing against facts, not theories.)
So, I will continue to keep you in my thoughts and whatever gives you comfort is what you need to do, end of.
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I am glad to hear that your father has come home, and it sounds like you're looking forward to his passing, when the time comes, with a good, healthy attitude. My father-in-law lived with us for three months before he passed, and that was an amazing time of getting to know him. It was humbling for all of us, and it was precious--very difficult at times, too. All that I can say is lean heavily on your faith during the hard times, and stand strong in what you know to be true, regardless of what others might say. I'll keep you in my prayers!
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t'lilly01,
I'm glad things have turned around a bit for you. I respectfully stayed away from posting in the prayer thread after it took a downhill turn. I am not a christian, which you, jcribb, sherlysshadow, and the other 'regulars' around here know, so I did not pray for you, but I did keep you and your family in my thoughts.
As far as being requested to pray goes, FC is NO different then being at work and having my patient's families ask if I will pray with or for them. I simply say something to the effect of "Thank you for including me, but I feel that is a private time/moment for you and I have many other tools in my box that I'm using to help your child, brother, father, etc." I either leave the room if able or ask them to use the chapel if I need to be with the family member at the time. I have never, and will never, discourage or berate them when the subject comes up. When dealing with the very real possibility of death, I feel I have NO business discouraging anything (outside of the family deciding to play doctor ;)) that will give them comfort and strength when they need it. I have hundreds of stories re the sometimes very strange things I have witnessed that people honestly believe will help. As long as they are NOT infringing on my and my nurses ability to treat, it all goes.
(I have gotten into it with a certain christian person who is no longer here, but it was when things became personal jabs and misconstruing/taking out of context my actual words - or arguing against facts, not theories.)
So, I will continue to keep you in my thoughts and whatever gives you comfort is what you need to do, end of.
You are always respectful of others and their choices, and have been ever since I joined FC.
( I do know what you are speaking of way back, and to be honest, it even got hard for me, because I didn't agree in going overboard. I supported some, but after awhile, backed off, because I had gotten to the point where I couldn't support the overboard part of it. )
Much of that changed the tone in some threads, and I had to take a break from it. Then my health issues worsened and I'm still not right. I have really missed some of the conversations we used to have, and I honestly respect your vocation and what you and your nurses do to help other people to cope with certain health problems and/or issues. What you all do and how you do it, helps in so many ways - thank you, again, for what you do.
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I have thought long and hard and about the disrespectful comments by falcon9.
I am sorry that you misundertood them through the miasma of your 'faith' while proceding to make "disrepectful comments" which do not conform to your particular religious faith.
It hurts me to know that there are people like you that give no thought to others pain.
No comments indicating any such thing were posted, (misinterpretations of what was actually posted are the responsibility of the misterpreter).
It may be you one day standing in the need of prayer.
That day will never come because I'd have more need of viable options than of such wishful-thinking.
One day every knee shall bow and every mouth confess that JESUS is LORD!
Such is your unsupported belief/opinion however, since there is exactly zero basis for it, I do not hold such a belief.
I will not comment further but did feel I needed to respond.
Zounds, another hit-and-run declaration with no intention of backing it up - how mundanely common.
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I have thought long and hard and about the disrespectful comments by falcon9.
I am sorry that you misundertood them through the miasma of your 'faith' while proceding to make "disrepectful comments" which do not conform to your particular religious faith.
It hurts me to know that there are people like you that give no thought to others pain.
No comments indicating any such thing were posted, (misinterpretations of what was actually posted are the responsibility of the misterpreter).
It may be you one day standing in the need of prayer.
That day will never come because I'd have more need of viable options than of such wishful-thinking.
One day every knee shall bow and every mouth confess that JESUS is LORD!
Such is your unsupported belief/opinion however, since there is exactly zero basis for it, I do not hold such a belief.
I will not comment further but did feel I needed to respond.
Zounds, another hit-and-run declaration with no intention of backing it up - how mundanely common.
make no mistake ... one day you WILL bow on your knees before almighty God ... and maybe you will remember ... I do hope that you will come to know God before you leave this world ....
The end ..... no more on that subject
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make no mistake ...
If you mean like the one you're making, have no fears; I don't make such empty faith-based declarations as you have and continue to make:
one day you WILL bow on your knees before almighty God ...
I don't bow to specious assertions, as many of my posts show.
and maybe you will remember ...
Remember what; your evangelical insistance upon unsubstantiated nonsense? How can I forget when you fundies constantly remind folks of blind faith over and over and over again?
I do hope that you will come to know God before you leave this world ....
After roughly 2,000 years of religious 'insistance', one would imagine that there'd be some evidence to support such a belief ... any evidence with veracity that is, (not some circular nonsense or dubious attributions but, actual hard evidence). Wait, such would be imaginary 'evidence', based on baseless "faith", eh?
The end ..... no more on that subject
Hey, if you want to cease the exchange from your end, that's fine by me. You do not however, get to declare "no more" without such an admonishment being duly ignored. Here's a suggestion which you are also free to ignore or consider; focus on those problems for which some wishful-thinking was requested instead of this stuff, (because that wishful-thinking - "prayer" - isn't going to make those problems go away and neither is a 'debate' about it). In fact, while you're burying your head in the sand anyway, put my posts on "ignore" before they accidentally cause an 'awakening'.
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make no mistake ...
If you mean like the one you're making, have no fears; I don't make such empty faith-based declarations as you have and continue to make:
one day you WILL bow on your knees before almighty God ...
I don't bow to specious assertions, as many of my posts show.
and maybe you will remember ...
Remember what; your evangelical insistance upon unsubstantiated nonsense? How can I forget when you fundies constantly remind folks of blind faith over and over and over again?
I do hope that you will come to know God before you leave this world ....
After roughly 2,000 years of religious 'insistance', one would imagine that there'd be some evidence to support such a belief ... any evidence with veracity that is, (not some circular nonsense or dubious attributions but, actual hard evidence). Wait, such would be imaginary 'evidence', based on baseless "faith", eh?
The end ..... no more on that subject
Hey, if you want to cease the exchange from your end, that's fine by me. You do not however, get to declare "no more" without such an admonishment being duly ignored. Here's a suggestion which you are also free to ignore or consider; focus on those problems for which some wishful-thinking was requested instead of this stuff, (because that wishful-thinking - "prayer" - isn't going to make those problems go away and neither is a 'debate' about it). In fact, while you're burying your head in the sand anyway, put my posts on "ignore" before they accidentally cause an 'awakening'.
Falcon9, you are really testing the disrespect line with Tigerlilly. You enjoy having the last word, I understand that. But this whole response to her, especially the part in red, is not in any way respectful of her beliefs, and in fact are very demeaning. She needs no admonishment from a stranger on the other side of a computer screen. Considering what she is dealing with in her family issues at this point, you have totally disregarded her feelings and continue cutting her down. If anyone needs to bury their head in the sand, it's you, for crossing the line and being this disrespectful to her. You should be ashamed of yourself acting like a petulant child who has to always win an argument. And I will add that there was no argument in this thread until you entered and demeaned her asking for prayers. No one would have to put you on "ignore" if you tried, like others, to be congenial and respectful. I have never, in the time I have been a member of FC, ever reported anyone. This time, you have gone too far with your disrespect.
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Falcon9, you are really testing the disrespect line with Tigerlilly.
It was her decision to post 'disrespectfully' to me, I'd ceased replying to that thread before then. There being no obligation to sit here and silently accept any evangelizing aimed directly at me. I found that extremely rude and presumptuous.
You enjoy having the last word, I understand that.
That's rich, considering that "tigerlilly" was attempting that "last word" tactic with her "the end" declaration.
But this whole response to her, especially the part in red, is not in any way respectful of her beliefs, and in fact are very demeaning.
Previous mention has been made concerning these attempts to silence opposing viewpoints by appeals to "respect" and some irrational notion that others should not oppose "beliefs" they don't share in a public forum.
I have never, in the time I have been a member of FC, ever reported anyone. This time, you have gone too far with your disrespect.[/color]
The solution to your indignation is to put my posts on "ignore", or take your 'delicate sensibilities' to another thread, (reporting someone because they don't share your empty religious "faith" is a direct attempt at imposing censorship). One might even speculate that such suppresive attempts reveal more about the weakness of your position than the strength of reason.
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Falcon9, you are really testing the disrespect line with Tigerlilly.
It was her decision to post 'disrespectfully' to me, I'd ceased replying to that thread before then. There being no obligation to sit here and silently accept any evangelizing aimed directly at me. I found that extremely rude and presumptuous.
You enjoy having the last word, I understand that.
That's rich, considering that "tigerlilly" was attempting that "last word" tactic with her "the end" declaration.
But this whole response to her, especially the part in red, is not in any way respectful of her beliefs, and in fact are very demeaning.
Previous mention has been made concerning these attempts to silence opposing viewpoints by appeals to "respect" and some irrational notion that others should not oppose "beliefs" they don't share in a public forum.
I have never, in the time I have been a member of FC, ever reported anyone. This time, you have gone too far with your disrespect.[/color]
The solution to your indignation is to put my posts on "ignore", or take your 'delicate sensibilities' to another thread, (reporting someone because they don't share your empty religious "faith" is a direct attempt at imposing censorship). One might even speculate that such suppresive attempts reveal more about the weakness of your position than the strength of reason.
You aren't bully enough to put you on ignore. You need to be a little more respectful in here and not continuing to think your answers are the only and last answers to anyone. Many bend some or compromise some, but not you. My "delicate sensibilities" is incorrect. No one is reporting you for not sharing the same views on religious faith. People can have different views. The problem is your attitude of superiority to other posters who happen not to share your views. The reporting would have everything to do with your disrespectful attitude towards and your mean words towards Tigerlilly, in this particular thread that was not a debate type thread. It was a thank you to those who were praying and/or keeping her family in their thoughts. If anyone is weak it is you in the area of sensitivity to different posters depending on their particular issues at the time. Like I said already, enough is enough. Show some respect to others.
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You aren't bully enough to put you on ignore.
You aren't bully enough to intimidate others into silence. Conversely, my opposition to unsubstantiated claims and empty accusations isn't intended to bully; I encourage substantive response, (yours doesn't qualify).
You need to be a little more respectful in here ... Show some respect to others.[/color]
You "need" to realize that respect is earned, not handed out like candy on All Hallows Eve or, like beads at Mardi Gras. On the other hand, I do have respect for others who seem to feel it's an automatic 'entitlement' for whatever empty opinion or belief they happen to hold. There's a difference between respecting others and respecting what they believe; subtle as that is to you.
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You aren't bully enough to put you on ignore.
You aren't bully enough to intimidate others into silence. Conversely, my opposition to unsubstantiated claims and empty accusations isn't intended to bully; I encourage substantive response, (yours doesn't qualify).
You need to be a little more respectful in here ... Show some respect to others.[/color]
You "need" to realize that respect is earned, not handed out like candy on All Hallows Eve or, like beads at Mardi Gras. On the other hand, I do have respect for others who seem to feel it's an automatic 'entitlement' for whatever empty opinion or belief they happen to hold. There's a difference between respecting others and respecting what they believe; subtle as that is to you.
So you are admitting that you have respect for others who seem to feel it's an automatic "entitlement" for whatever empty opinion or belief they happen to hold? That's really bold of you.
No one is trying to bully you into silence. I don't know how you came to that conclusion. You are being asked to show some respect to others in regards to what they believe - which you are not doing - so get off the "subtle as that is to you" kick and look at your own self with that.
You are also implying that disrespect is the order of the day unless they bow to your views, which then they have earned your respect. It doesn't work that way.
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So you are admitting that you have respect for others who seem to feel it's an automatic "entitlement" for whatever empty opinion or belief they happen to hold? That's really bold of you.
I suppose it would've been, were it not for the typo omission of the word "don't" in-between 'who' and 'seem'. Other than that, have some Mardi Gras beads, (and refrain from flashing any self-righteous '*bleep*').
No one is trying to bully you into silence. I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
As a wild guess, I'd say that probably stemmed from at least two separate attempts you posted, along with a couple posted by two other members. Other that that, there isn't any evidence <-- sarcasm.
You are being asked to show some respect to others in regards to what they believe - which you are not doing -
As I stated, having respect for other person's is not equated with having respect for whatever nonsense they believe. Since you've demonstrated your inability to make this distinction before, this reiteration is likely a waste of bandwidth.
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So you are admitting that you have respect for others who seem to feel it's an automatic "entitlement" for whatever empty opinion or belief they happen to hold? That's really bold of you.
I suppose it would've been, were it not for the typo omission of the word "don't" in-between 'who' and 'seem'. Other than that, have some Mardi Gras beads, (and refrain from flashing any self-righteous '*bleep*').
No one is trying to bully you into silence. I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
As a wild guess, I'd say that probably stemmed from at least two separate attempts you posted, along with a couple posted by two other members. Other that that, there isn't any evidence <-- sarcasm.
You are being asked to show some respect to others in regards to what they believe - which you are not doing -
As I stated, having respect for other person's is not equated with having respect for whatever nonsense they believe. Since you've demonstrated your inability to make this distinction before, this reiteration is likely a waste of bandwidth.
I knew what you meant with that first sentence. You have pointed out my grammatical or otherwise errors, so I figured I would make sure of what you really meant. Also, please don't bring the Mardi Gras comment about my "righteous *bleep*" into the picture, please.
I've not tried to bully you into silence. I keep telling you that there are certain times, getting off of the disagreeing with the religious track, when you need to exhibit a little more respect to someone asking sincerely for prayers. You could ignore the thread, or just say you don't pray or believe in prayer but hope all will be okay. You've given your view, but would be more respectful, instead of being contentious, and going into what prayer is and is not, just to incite them.
This remark you made: "having respect for other person's is not equated with having respect for whatever nonsense they believe." is most definitely not having respect or courtesy by calling their beliefs nonsense. It is not nonsense to them. It is what they believe, personally. Give reasons why you DISAGREE with them, but the NAME CALLING of their beliefs over and over again shows a lack of maturity toward them/their belief system. You may not agree with them but don't be hateful about it - that just stirs up strife. I don't agree with some of your views, but I don't call them nonsense or any other thing, because that is your belief, you are entitled to what you believe based on what you know or see or learn. I can give my disagreement reasons instead of the nonsense name-calling. You don't agree with others' views, then tell why and discuss it without the name-calling.
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It's good to see someone who still believes in the power of prayer. I myself have had my doubtful moments, but I never give up on God and prayer. There have been numerous instances when I prayed and prayed for something, and in some way, my prayers were answered. I don't attritibute it to luck, chance, fortune or fate. I attribute it the Supreme Being, the giver of life, God. I am glad to hear that things are going better for you, and I will keep you in my prayers as well. God bless you!
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I knew what you meant with that first sentence. You have pointed out my grammatical or otherwise errors, so I figured I would make sure of what you really meant. Also, please don't bring the Mardi Gras comment about my "righteous *bleep*" into the picture, please.
If you knew what I meant, you'd also realize that the Mardi Gras beads and all were metaphorical, (you know, like the "babies" in another thread?).
I've not tried to bully you into silence. You could ignore the thread, or just say you don't pray or believe in prayer but hope all will be okay.
Encouraging the ignoring of a subject or, a modified reply to it is censorous. Unless the off-topic posting guidelines established by FC are violated, I can 'respectfully' decline your stifling suggestion.
This remark you made:[/color] "having respect for other person's is not equated with having respect for whatever nonsense they believe." is most definitely not having respect or courtesy by calling their beliefs nonsense.
Thank you for demonstrating, in your own words, your failure to grasp the distinction between a person and their beliefs. A belief is not a person.
There is no inherent requirement to "respect" beliefs which lack any supporting evidence. Such beliefs cannot be conflated with the persons holding them unless by way of an irrational causality, (although there is considerable philosophical dispute regarding whether or not a 'belief system' _is_ part of a person or, a concept they adhere to).
It is not nonsense to them. It is what they believe, personally.
Conversely, 'nonsense' consists of that which doesn't make sense. That which doesn't make sense can consist of baseless beliefs. A person who holds baseless beliefs, (no matter how 'true' they presume them to be), has blind faith if such lacks substantiating evidence to support them. Believing something expressly _because_ it lacks any evidence, (i.e., "faith"), is irrational nonsense. I'm not contending that the person holding those beliefs is entirely irrational; it may be selective or, widespread - either way, my comments concerned their beliefs and not them, personally.
Give reasons why you DISAGREE with them, but the NAME CALLING of their beliefs ...
I have, repeatedly, (from your previous replies to such posts containing the reasons, you're aware of them). The "name-calling" misnomer was addressed in the paragraph prior to this one.
You may not agree with them but don't be hateful about it - that just stirs up strife. I don't agree with some of your views, but I don't call them nonsense or any other thing, because that is your belief, you are entitled to what you believe based on what you know or see or learn.
You are mistaken in that my rational skepticism is not a "belief" or, a 'belief system'. For the record however, you most certainly have denigrated logical reasoning by characterizing it's usage as "The constant unaccepting of one side over the other, with the same "baseless" and "empty" words ..." -Quote from: jcribb16 on 03:09:12 at 08:35:34 (as well as message ID#502202).
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Oh God don't even listen to anything Falcon says. We had a heated debate a few weeks ago about something, and all he does is repeat himself and try to make himself look smart by using fancy and big words. Trust me, I've been there and done that with him. Just ignore him and he'll go away eventually.
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Oh God don't even listen to anything Falcon says.
"Help, help I'm being repressed!" <--Monty Python and The Holy Grail
We had a heated debate a few weeks ago about something, and all he does is repeat himself and try to make himself look smart by using fancy and big words.
On the contrary, if the same empty arguments, claims and assertions are made by others, there's a finite number of ways to phrase the same challenges and questions of assumptions. You don't see any posts where I reciprocate such laments as "... try to make himself look smart by using fancy and big words" with 'trying to make themselves appear dumb by misusing simple and smaller words' because I don't, (save for this example of not doing so).
Trust me, I've been there and done that with him. Just ignore him and he'll go away eventually.
Although I agree with the advice to ignore my posts, (bury head in sand), I can assure you that metaphorically putting your hands over your eyes when confronted with logic will not cause my posts to "go away". They're still there, if someone has eyes to see.
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I don't care if anyone takes it as a sign of weakness,because I feel as if ten years were added to my life since I put Falcon on ignore. ;D
$3 a month is not nearly enough to put up with reading that clown's repetitive drivel.
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I don't care if anyone takes it as a sign of weakness,because I feel as if ten years were added to my life since I put Falcon on ignore. ;D
Be careful not to plant your head too deeply in the sand, otherwise those ten years could be shaved-off anyway.
$3 a month is not nearly enough to put up with reading that clown's repetitive drivel.
Here's precisely where the concept of "ignore" escapes "jedijohnnie"; hint; it doesn't include posting juvenile 'flames' while you're allegedly 'ignoring' the one you're flaming. This is also known as being a hypocrit, johnnie.
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... my prayers were answered. I don't attritibute it to luck, chance, fortune or fate. I attribute it the Supreme Being
Unless such an attribution is supported by actual evidence, it's merely speculative at best, (and a false attribution of cause & effect at worst). That's what happens with blind faith; those selectively eschewing reason end up attributing all sorts of things to incorrect causes.
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I never bury my head in the sand ... I am so living reality.... as I leave to go give my father his end of life medications. You can feel free to bash all you want. Words do not hurt me. I only feel obligated to try and shine my light in the right path. I shall not post again reguarding this. I feel I have said what I needed to. I thank all who have given me support and good thoughts, positive feedback and those who didn't that is your right as an american. I'm tired, I'm stressed and it isn't worth it to lower standards to go back and forth. With that said.... My next post will be uplifting and simple chat.
GOD BLESS :heart: :peace:
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I am so living reality.... as I leave to go give my father his end of life medications. You can feel free to bash all you want. Words do not hurt me.
It is your perrogative to deal with reality as you see fit, the same as anyone else. It is also understood that some situations in life are steeped in strong emotions which tend to cloud things. This is not bashing, it's a commentary. Despite preconceptions, I too stood at my father's bedside at the end of his life to honor him and no dishonor to your father was intended. With that, enough said.
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My next post will be uplifting and simple chat.
Your next post was message ID#503062 which included such "uplifting" falsehoods as "harass", "hunt" and "criticize" in the "Thank You" thread as "simple chat"? I've seen that pattern before, it's nothing new.
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Oh MY........... My thoughts are still with you and you will be in my prayers daily. Because no matter how old they are we as humans and we have emotions and feelings whether you have faith or not. May he rest in peace when the end comes because the way I feel somedays we live in a sort of hell, not by choice but because of the way some people are........
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There seems to be no peace anywhere ... I use to love posting here on fusion cash but lately it has been nothing but heartache.
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There seems to be no peace anywhere ... I use to love posting here on fusion cash but lately it has been nothing but heartache.
You could use the "ignore" function instead of the martyred drama-queen function, as a suggestion.
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*tigerlilly01~You're very welcome & I'm glad that things are looking up w/your family.It's hard to deal w/an ill love one.I know how that feels,it's really energy draining that you can barely physically get up & do normal daily living things.I lost my husband on 03/02/2009.I literally saw him die right before my eyes! The stupid nurse stood there frozen on the spot until I screamed to her to get help! So,every March,I deal w/this sad memory. :(
*I understand that you wanted to express thanks for those who responded positively to your request.& again, please forgive Falcon9.He maybe really annoying but he just wants you to think for yourself. He's not trying to push you to change your faith;he's just demonstrating a different side to the issue.When you express such distress over his posts;you're only upsetting yourself & giving him more power.Stop giving him power & focus on the good things happening now;like your dad coming home,the many positive responses you've received from your FC family,& having your family around you.
*Understand, that nobody has the right to make feel inferior without your consent. (Elinor R.)
*If you're true to your faith,demonstrate grace....Forgive, let go of your doubts,let go of your anger,let go of your distrust,let go of your hate.Love your enemies,forgive those who make you feel inferior,tolerate others not like yourself.... :thumbsup:
*& most importantly, make sure you let your love ones know you love them. My Husband went so fast,I didn't have a chance to tell him how much I loved him. :crybaby2:
:star:Good Luck tigerlilly01! :wave: :peace: