Thank you

[jcribb16]

make no mistake ...

If you mean like the one you're making, have no fears; I don't make such empty faith-based declarations as you have and continue to make:

one day you WILL bow on your knees before almighty God ...

I don't bow to specious assertions, as many of my posts show.

and maybe you will remember ...

Remember what; your evangelical insistance upon unsubstantiated nonsense?  How can I forget when you fundies constantly remind folks of blind faith over and over and over again?

I do hope that you will come to know God before you leave this world ....

After roughly 2,000 years of religious 'insistance', one would imagine that there'd be some evidence to support such a belief ... any evidence with veracity that is, (not some circular nonsense or dubious attributions but, actual hard evidence).  Wait, such would be imaginary 'evidence', based on baseless "faith", eh?
 

The end ..... no more on that subject

Hey, if you want to cease the exchange from your end, that's fine by me.  You do not however, get to declare "no more" without such an admonishment being duly ignored.  Here's a suggestion which you are also free to ignore or consider; focus on those problems for which some wishful-thinking was requested instead of this stuff, (because that wishful-thinking - "prayer" - isn't going to make those problems go away and neither is a 'debate' about it).  In fact, while you're burying your head in the sand anyway, put my posts on "ignore" before they accidentally cause an 'awakening'.

Falcon9, you are really testing the disrespect line with Tigerlilly.  You enjoy having the last word, I understand that.  But this whole response to her, especially the part in red, is not in any way respectful of her beliefs, and in fact are very demeaning.  She needs no admonishment from a stranger on the other side of a computer screen.  Considering what she is dealing with in her family issues at this point, you have totally disregarded her feelings and continue cutting her down.  If anyone needs to bury their head in the sand, it's you, for crossing the line and being this disrespectful to her.  You should be ashamed of yourself acting like a petulant child who has to always win an argument.  And I will add that there was no argument in this thread until you entered and demeaned her asking for prayers.  No one would have to put you on "ignore" if you tried, like others, to be congenial and respectful. I have never, in the time I have been a member of FC, ever reported anyone.  This time, you have gone too far with your disrespect.

[falcon9]

Falcon9, you are really testing the disrespect line with Tigerlilly.  

It was her decision to post 'disrespectfully' to me, I'd ceased replying to that thread before then.  There being no obligation to sit here and silently accept any evangelizing aimed directly at me.  I found that extremely rude and presumptuous.

You enjoy having the last word, I understand that.

That's rich, considering that "tigerlilly" was attempting that "last word" tactic with her "the end" declaration.

But this whole response to her, especially the part in red, is not in any way respectful of her beliefs, and in fact are very demeaning.

Previous mention has been made concerning these attempts to silence opposing viewpoints by appeals to "respect" and some irrational notion that others should not oppose "beliefs" they don't share in a public forum.

I have never, in the time I have been a member of FC, ever reported anyone.  This time, you have gone too far with your disrespect.[/color]

The solution to your indignation is to put my posts on "ignore", or take your 'delicate sensibilities' to another thread, (reporting someone because they don't share your empty religious "faith" is a direct attempt at imposing censorship).  One might even speculate that such suppresive attempts reveal more about the weakness of your position than the strength of reason.

[jcribb16]

Falcon9, you are really testing the disrespect line with Tigerlilly.  

It was her decision to post 'disrespectfully' to me, I'd ceased replying to that thread before then.  There being no obligation to sit here and silently accept any evangelizing aimed directly at me.  I found that extremely rude and presumptuous.

You enjoy having the last word, I understand that.

That's rich, considering that "tigerlilly" was attempting that "last word" tactic with her "the end" declaration.

But this whole response to her, especially the part in red, is not in any way respectful of her beliefs, and in fact are very demeaning.

Previous mention has been made concerning these attempts to silence opposing viewpoints by appeals to "respect" and some irrational notion that others should not oppose "beliefs" they don't share in a public forum.

I have never, in the time I have been a member of FC, ever reported anyone.  This time, you have gone too far with your disrespect.[/color]

The solution to your indignation is to put my posts on "ignore", or take your 'delicate sensibilities' to another thread, (reporting someone because they don't share your empty religious "faith" is a direct attempt at imposing censorship).  One might even speculate that such suppresive attempts reveal more about the weakness of your position than the strength of reason.

You aren't bully enough to put you on ignore.  You need to be a little more respectful in here and not continuing to think your answers are the only and last answers to anyone.  Many bend some or compromise some, but not you.  My "delicate sensibilities" is incorrect.  No one is reporting you for not sharing the same views on religious faith.  People can have different views.  The problem is your attitude of superiority to other posters who happen not to share your views.  The reporting would have everything to do with your disrespectful attitude towards and your mean words towards Tigerlilly, in this particular thread that was not a debate type thread.  It was a thank you to those who were praying and/or keeping her family in their thoughts.  If anyone is weak it is you in the area of sensitivity to different posters depending on their particular issues at the time.  Like I said already, enough is enough.  Show some respect to others.

[falcon9]

You aren't bully enough to put you on ignore.

You aren't bully enough to intimidate others into silence.  Conversely, my opposition to unsubstantiated claims and empty accusations isn't intended to bully; I encourage substantive response, (yours doesn't qualify).

You need to be a little more respectful in here ... Show some respect to others.[/color]

You "need" to realize that respect is earned, not handed out like candy on All Hallows Eve or, like beads at Mardi Gras.  On the other hand, I do have respect for others who seem to feel it's an automatic 'entitlement' for whatever empty opinion or belief they happen to hold.  There's a difference between respecting others and respecting what they believe; subtle as that is to you.

[jcribb16]

You aren't bully enough to put you on ignore.

You aren't bully enough to intimidate others into silence.  Conversely, my opposition to unsubstantiated claims and empty accusations isn't intended to bully; I encourage substantive response, (yours doesn't qualify).

You need to be a little more respectful in here ... Show some respect to others.[/color]

You "need" to realize that respect is earned, not handed out like candy on All Hallows Eve or, like beads at Mardi Gras.  On the other hand, I do have respect for others who seem to feel it's an automatic 'entitlement' for whatever empty opinion or belief they happen to hold.  There's a difference between respecting others and respecting what they believe; subtle as that is to you.

So you are admitting that you have respect for others who seem to feel it's an automatic "entitlement" for whatever empty opinion or belief they happen to hold?  That's really bold of you.

No one is trying to bully you into silence.  I don't know how you came to that conclusion.  You are being asked to show some respect to others in regards to what they believe - which you are not doing - so get off the "subtle as that is to you" kick and look at your own self with that.

You are also implying that disrespect is the order of the day unless they bow to your views, which then they have earned your respect.  It doesn't work that way.

[falcon9]

So you are admitting that you have respect for others who seem to feel it's an automatic "entitlement" for whatever empty opinion or belief they happen to hold?  That's really bold of you.

I suppose it would've been, were it not for the typo omission of the word "don't" in-between 'who' and 'seem'.  Other than that, have some Mardi Gras beads, (and refrain from flashing any self-righteous '*bleep*').

No one is trying to bully you into silence.  I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

As a wild guess, I'd say that probably stemmed from at least two separate attempts you posted, along with a couple posted by two other members.  Other that that, there isn't any evidence <-- sarcasm.
 

You are being asked to show some respect to others in regards to what they believe - which you are not doing - 

As I stated, having respect for other person's is not equated with having respect for whatever nonsense they believe.  Since you've demonstrated your inability to make this distinction before, this reiteration is likely a waste of bandwidth.

[jcribb16]

So you are admitting that you have respect for others who seem to feel it's an automatic "entitlement" for whatever empty opinion or belief they happen to hold?  That's really bold of you.

I suppose it would've been, were it not for the typo omission of the word "don't" in-between 'who' and 'seem'.  Other than that, have some Mardi Gras beads, (and refrain from flashing any self-righteous '*bleep*').

No one is trying to bully you into silence.  I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

As a wild guess, I'd say that probably stemmed from at least two separate attempts you posted, along with a couple posted by two other members.  Other that that, there isn't any evidence <-- sarcasm.
 

You are being asked to show some respect to others in regards to what they believe - which you are not doing - 

As I stated, having respect for other person's is not equated with having respect for whatever nonsense they believe.  Since you've demonstrated your inability to make this distinction before, this reiteration is likely a waste of bandwidth.

I knew what you meant with that first sentence.  You have pointed out my grammatical or otherwise errors, so I figured I would make sure of what you really meant.   Also, please don't bring the Mardi Gras comment about my "righteous *bleep*" into the picture, please.


I've not tried to bully you into silence.  I keep telling you that there are certain times, getting off of the disagreeing with the religious track, when you need to exhibit a little more respect to someone asking sincerely for prayers.  You could ignore the thread, or just say you don't pray or believe in prayer but hope all will be okay.  You've given your view, but would be more respectful, instead of being contentious, and going into what prayer is and is not, just to incite them.


This remark you made: "having respect for other person's is not equated with having respect for whatever nonsense they believe." is most definitely not having respect or courtesy by calling their beliefs nonsense.  It is not nonsense to them.  It is what they believe, personally.  Give reasons why you DISAGREE with them, but the NAME CALLING of their beliefs over and over again shows a lack of maturity toward them/their belief system.  You may not agree with them but don't be hateful about it - that just stirs up strife.  I don't agree with some of your views, but I don't call them nonsense or any other thing, because that is your belief, you are entitled to what you believe based on what you know or see or learn.  I can give my disagreement reasons instead of the nonsense name-calling.  You don't agree with others' views, then tell why and discuss it without the name-calling.

[froggylover227]

It's good to see someone who still believes in the power of prayer. I myself have had my doubtful moments, but I never give up on God and prayer. There have been numerous instances when I prayed and prayed for something, and in some way, my prayers were answered. I don't attritibute it to luck, chance, fortune or fate. I attribute it the Supreme Being, the giver of life, God. I am glad to hear that things are going better for you, and I will keep you in my prayers as well. God bless you!

[falcon9]

I knew what you meant with that first sentence.  You have pointed out my grammatical or otherwise errors, so I figured I would make sure of what you really meant.   Also, please don't bring the Mardi Gras comment about my "righteous *bleep*" into the picture, please.


If you knew what I meant, you'd also realize that the Mardi Gras beads and all were metaphorical, (you know, like the "babies" in another thread?).


I've not tried to bully you into silence.  You could ignore the thread, or just say you don't pray or believe in prayer but hope all will be okay. 

Encouraging the ignoring of a subject or, a modified reply to it is censorous.  Unless the off-topic posting guidelines established by FC are violated, I can 'respectfully' decline your stifling suggestion.
 

This remark you made:[/color] "having respect for other person's is not equated with having respect for whatever nonsense they believe." is most definitely not having respect or courtesy by calling their beliefs nonsense. 

Thank you for demonstrating, in your own words, your failure to grasp the distinction between a person and their beliefs.  A belief is not a person.
There is no inherent requirement to "respect" beliefs which lack any supporting evidence.  Such beliefs cannot be conflated with the persons holding them unless by way of an irrational causality, (although there is considerable philosophical dispute regarding whether or not a 'belief system' _is_ part of a person or, a concept they adhere to).

It is not nonsense to them.  It is what they believe, personally. 

Conversely, 'nonsense' consists of that which doesn't make sense.  That which doesn't make sense can consist of baseless beliefs.  A person who holds baseless beliefs, (no matter how 'true' they presume them to be), has blind faith if such lacks substantiating evidence to support them.  Believing something expressly _because_ it lacks any evidence, (i.e., "faith"), is irrational nonsense.  I'm not contending that the person holding those beliefs is entirely irrational; it may be selective or, widespread - either way, my comments concerned their beliefs and not them, personally.
 

Give reasons why you DISAGREE with them, but the NAME CALLING of their beliefs ...

I have, repeatedly, (from your previous replies to such posts containing the reasons, you're aware of them).  The "name-calling" misnomer was addressed in the paragraph prior to this one.

You may not agree with them but don't be hateful about it - that just stirs up strife.  I don't agree with some of your views, but I don't call them nonsense or any other thing, because that is your belief, you are entitled to what you believe based on what you know or see or learn. 

You are mistaken in that my rational skepticism is not a "belief" or, a 'belief system'.  For the record however, you most certainly have denigrated logical reasoning by characterizing it's usage as "The constant unaccepting of one side over the other, with the same "baseless" and "empty" words ..." -Quote from: jcribb16 on 03:09:12 at 08:35:34 (as well as message ID#502202).

[froggylover227]

Oh God don't even listen to anything Falcon says. We had a heated debate a few weeks ago about something, and all he does is repeat himself and try to make himself look smart by using fancy and big words. Trust me, I've been there and done that with him. Just ignore him and he'll go away eventually.

[falcon9]

Oh God don't even listen to anything Falcon says.

"Help, help I'm being repressed!" <--Monty Python and The Holy Grail

We had a heated debate a few weeks ago about something, and all he does is repeat himself and try to make himself look smart by using fancy and big words.

On the contrary, if the same empty arguments, claims and assertions are made by others, there's a finite number of ways to phrase the same challenges and questions of assumptions.  You don't see any posts where I reciprocate such laments as "... try to make himself look smart by using fancy and big words" with 'trying to make themselves appear dumb by misusing simple and smaller words' because I don't, (save for this example of not doing so).

Trust me, I've been there and done that with him. Just ignore him and he'll go away eventually.

Although I agree with the advice to ignore my posts, (bury head in sand), I can assure you that metaphorically putting your hands over your eyes when confronted with logic will not cause my posts to "go away".  They're still there, if someone has eyes to see.

[JediJohnnie]

I don't care if anyone takes it as a sign of weakness,because I feel as if ten years were added to my life since I put Falcon on ignore.

$3 a month is not nearly enough to put up with reading that clown's repetitive drivel.

[falcon9]

I don't care if anyone takes it as a sign of weakness,because I feel as if ten years were added to my life since I put Falcon on ignore.

Be careful not to plant your head too deeply in the sand, otherwise those ten years could be shaved-off anyway.

$3 a month is not nearly enough to put up with reading that clown's repetitive drivel.

Here's precisely where the concept of "ignore" escapes "jedijohnnie"; hint; it doesn't include posting juvenile 'flames' while you're allegedly 'ignoring' the one you're flaming.  This is also known as being a hypocrit, johnnie.

[falcon9]

... my prayers were answered. I don't attritibute it to luck, chance, fortune or fate. I attribute it the Supreme Being

Unless such an attribution is supported by actual evidence, it's merely speculative at best, (and a false attribution of cause & effect at worst).  That's what happens with blind faith; those selectively eschewing reason end up attributing all sorts of things to incorrect causes.

[tigerlilly01]

I never bury my head in the sand ... I am so living reality.... as I leave to go give my father his end of life medications.   You can feel free to bash all you want.  Words do not hurt me.  I only feel obligated to try and shine my light in the right path.  I shall not post again reguarding this. I feel I have said what I needed to. I thank all who have given me support and good thoughts, positive feedback and those who didn't that is your right as an american.  I'm tired, I'm stressed and it isn't worth it to lower standards to go back and forth.  With that said.... My next post will be uplifting and simple chat.

GOD BLESS