FC Community
Discussion Boards => Off-Topic => Debate & Discuss => Topic started by: paints on February 25, 2019, 09:30:55 pm
-
Awhile back, I got interested in baking bread. It was a little frustrating because most of the recipes I've found make anywhere from 2 to 4 loaves, and I only had one loaf pan. I was baking either one loaf at a time, or using different sized pans.
One day, after it had taken almost all day to get the bread baked, and having to figure out how long the different sized loaves would take to bake, I said, "Lord, I really need some bread pans...and maybe a blender too, if you don't mind..."
A few days later, I had to go to the apartment complex office. As I walked in, I noticed there were some things on the free table, so I walked over to check it out. Sitting right on the end, there were 4 bread pans and a blender.
-
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
-
I'm a big believer in prayer. :angel11: Some would have called that coincidence, but why not an answer to prayer.
-
Definitely answer to your prayer. Praise the Lord! What are the odds that both items would be there as a coincidence :present:
-
Certainly an answer to your prayer.
-
I cant speak for God...but i can show you what bible says RE prayer......
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-study/how-to-pray-to-god/
-
Definitely answer to your prayer. Praise the Lord! What are the odds that both items would be there as a coincidence :present:
That's what I thought too. Especially after the manager told me that several people had picked them up and then put them back. It's like they were there waiting for me. :)
-
I guess I don't ask in the right way or expecting too much. I've never had a prayer answered. We might lose our house this year for back taxes. Just received a letter from the group that represents the school district and we have 30 days to pay up. We only owe last year's and we've already received the township taxes for this year (we were able to pay those last year).
-
How does 1 pray to a nameless god,NOT care what his will is and only pay mind to him when they are in need?And think they will be heard?
Sfreeman might lose his house and Paints gets bread pans.Pretty weird god id say.
-
How does 1 pray to a nameless god,NOT care what his will is and only pay mind to him when they are in need?And think they will be heard?
Sfreeman might lose his house and Paints gets bread pans.Pretty weird god id say.
I'm not praying to a nameless god. Am I nameless to my children because they call me Mom?
-
“I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. . . . I have made your name known to them and will make it known.”—JOHN 17:6, 26.
2 Corinthians 4:4
4 among whom the god of this system of things*a has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,b so that the illumination* of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God,c might not shine through.d
2 scriptures there referring to gods.The TRUE one and an imposter liar.Using his name as Jesus said identifies him as the TRUE God and Satan being referred to also as a god ,false as are many others.I am sure you are aware of how Jehovah felt about false worship.Greta examples in book of Exodus after HE saved them only to see them bow down to images.He was incensed to the point it cost many their lives.Jesus said it was the first commandment to LOVE and know Gods name and have NO other gods before him.The word god is a title as lord is.You are a woman also besides a mom but you have a name.The name Jehovah is Gods personal name.NO other gods existed before him.
I hope you are a better mom then most.There is a difference to Jehovah as who the TRUE God is.I dont think it matters too much with moms.
-
stranger things have happened ! answered prayers is what i believe in
-
How does 1 pray to a nameless god,NOT care what his will is and only pay mind to him when they are in need?And think they will be heard?
Sfreeman might lose his house and Paints gets bread pans.Pretty weird god id say.
I'm not praying to a nameless god. Am I nameless to my children because they call me Mom?
May i ask what is your gods name?Nothing wrong to praying to Jehovah and still using God or Father to him.He knows in our heart if we are praying to HIM.But so many think just using god or lord is enuff.IT isnt if they dont know his name.Many claim to follow Jesus and he says he had made his name known and the first part of the Lords prayer says Gods name should be made holy.
-
Again, I am new to the Forum so I am not sure where I am in the conversation but we should not only pray when we are in need. Praying includes giving thanks, praying for others, praying for the world in general, praying for the beauty we are blessed to see every single day. It is called practicing your faith and it works. I have experienced it more times than I can count. What we want is not always best. God, by whatever name, will take care of it. We have free will but God knows best. (I do NOT attend church nor do I follow any religion.)
-
Again, I am new to the Forum so I am not sure where I am in the conversation but we should not only pray when we are in need. Praying includes giving thanks, praying for others, praying for the world in general, praying for the beauty we are blessed to see every single day. It is called practicing your faith and it works. I have experienced it more times than I can count. What we want is not always best. God, by whatever name, will take care of it. We have free will but God knows best. (I do NOT attend church nor do I follow any religion.)
Would you like someone to call you OTHER then your name?
Isa 43:10-11 “You are my witnesses,”+ declares Jehovah,
“Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,+
So that you may know and have faith in me*
And understand that I am the same One.+
Before me no God was formed,
And after me there has been none.+
11 I—I am Jehovah,+ and besides me there is no savior.”+
-
That is a real cool story! Hard to answer but I believe in going with the flow and thanking God as well
-
“I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. . . . I have made your name known to them and will make it known.”—JOHN 17:6, 26.
2 Corinthians 4:4
4 among whom the god of this system of things*a has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,b so that the illumination* of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God,c might not shine through.d
2 scriptures there referring to gods.The TRUE one and an imposter liar.Using his name as Jesus said identifies him as the TRUE God and Satan being referred to also as a god ,false as are many others.I am sure you are aware of how Jehovah felt about false worship.Greta examples in book of Exodus after HE saved them only to see them bow down to images.He was incensed to the point it cost many their lives.Jesus said it was the first commandment to LOVE and know Gods name and have NO other gods before him.The word god is a title as lord is.You are a woman also besides a mom but you have a name.The name Jehovah is Gods personal name.NO other gods existed before him.
I hope you are a better mom then most.There is a difference to Jehovah as who the TRUE God is.I dont think it matters too much with moms.
Are you trying to be insulting?
Jesus said the greatest commandments were these-to love God, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
When he taught his disciples how to pray, he said, "Our Father.."
On the cross, he said, "Father, forgive..."
You're making it harder than it has to be.
-
I guess I don't ask in the right way or expecting too much. I've never had a prayer answered. We might lose our house this year for back taxes. Just received a letter from the group that represents the school district and we have 30 days to pay up. We only owe last year's and we've already received the township taxes for this year (we were able to pay those last year).
I'm sorry.
-
Again, I am new to the Forum so I am not sure where I am in the conversation but we should not only pray when we are in need. Praying includes giving thanks, praying for others, praying for the world in general, praying for the beauty we are blessed to see every single day. It is called practicing your faith and it works. I have experienced it more times than I can count. What we want is not always best. God, by whatever name, will take care of it. We have free will but God knows best. (I do NOT attend church nor do I follow any religion.)
I agree. We are told to "pray without ceasing." What that says to me is that it is a way of life, rather than religion. It is a way to be.
-
“I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. . . . I have made your name known to them and will make it known.”—JOHN 17:6, 26.
2 Corinthians 4:4
4 among whom the god of this system of things*a has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,b so that the illumination* of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God,c might not shine through.d
2 scriptures there referring to gods.The TRUE one and an imposter liar.Using his name as Jesus said identifies him as the TRUE God and Satan being referred to also as a god ,false as are many others.I am sure you are aware of how Jehovah felt about false worship.Greta examples in book of Exodus after HE saved them only to see them bow down to images.He was incensed to the point it cost many their lives.Jesus said it was the first commandment to LOVE and know Gods name and have NO other gods before him.The word god is a title as lord is.You are a woman also besides a mom but you have a name.The name Jehovah is Gods personal name.NO other gods existed before him.
I hope you are a better mom then most.There is a difference to Jehovah as who the TRUE God is.I dont think it matters too much with moms.
Are you trying to be insulting?
Jesus said the greatest commandments were these-to love God, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
When he taught his disciples how to pray, he said, "Our Father.."
On the cross, he said, "Father, forgive..."
You're making it harder than it has to be.
I reference the scripture for you how Jesus uses Gods name and you ask me if im insulting you!!I also reference scripture where Satan is refered to as a god.God is a title!!!
The first part of the Lords prayer is Hallowed be thy name.And you ask if im insulting you.
If you dont see it means a lot to God that his name is important to identify him as the TRUE God <which he also refers to in bible>its not worth getting into anymore.
And yes christendom,or religeon in this world is refered to as Babylon the Great.In the country Babylon when it existed and was a world power many false gods and teachings got their start and continue down to this day.Many claim to teach and live by bible but it is only lip service.Jesus said to examine them all first and compared them to fine trees and rotten trees.Bad fruit and good fruit.
Psalms 83:18 KJV reveals Gods name which doesnt seem that important to you and most of this world.
-
“I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. . . . I have made your name known to them and will make it known.”—JOHN 17:6, 26.
2 Corinthians 4:4
4 among whom the god of this system of things*a has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,b so that the illumination* of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God,c might not shine through.d
2 scriptures there referring to gods.The TRUE one and an imposter liar.Using his name as Jesus said identifies him as the TRUE God and Satan being referred to also as a god ,false as are many others.I am sure you are aware of how Jehovah felt about false worship.Greta examples in book of Exodus after HE saved them only to see them bow down to images.He was incensed to the point it cost many their lives.Jesus said it was the first commandment to LOVE and know Gods name and have NO other gods before him.The word god is a title as lord is.You are a woman also besides a mom but you have a name.The name Jehovah is Gods personal name.NO other gods existed before him.
I hope you are a better mom then most.There is a difference to Jehovah as who the TRUE God is.I dont think it matters too much with moms.
Are you trying to be insulting?
Jesus said the greatest commandments were these-to love God, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
When he taught his disciples how to pray, he said, "Our Father.."
On the cross, he said, "Father, forgive..."
You're making it harder than it has to be.
I reference the scripture for you how Jesus uses Gods name and you ask me if im insulting you!!I also reference scripture where Satan is refered to as a god.God is a title!!!
The first part of the Lords prayer is Hallowed be thy name.And you ask if im insulting you.
If you dont see it means a lot to God that his name is important to identify him as the TRUE God <which he also refers to in bible>its not worth getting into anymore.
And yes christendom,or religeon in this world is refered to as Babylon the Great.In the country Babylon when it existed and was a world power many false gods and teachings got their start and continue down to this day.Many claim to teach and live by bible but it is only lip service.Jesus said to examine them all first and compared them to fine trees and rotten trees.Bad fruit and good fruit.
Psalms 83:18 KJV reveals Gods name which doesnt seem that important to you and most of this world.
Hitch, my children call me Mom. I know who they are talking to, and THEY know who they are talking to.
If they called me by my name, I would know who they were speaking to, and so would they.
If they called me Woman, I would know who they were speaking to, and so would they.
I Am Who I Am.
-
Paints,i didnt write the bible.With ALL the false gods that exist i am not sure why you find it so hard to accept the true God wants to be called by his name.Of course we can call him God or Lord if we are referring to Jehovah as the TRUE God.The world has a problem with it.
Jesus said I have made your name known.Do you think he meant just his title?
Satan is Gods enemy.Satan challenged Jehovah as a ruler.Of course he didnt challenge his power or might.His influence caused the human race to sin and die.The issue is whats better for all of us...Satanic rule or Gods rule?Why do you think it has gone on so long from our perspective.6000 yrs of dying,greed,selfishness cant be ignored.
The whole religeous system is based on Satanic influence.He has been allowed to question what is in the heart of man.
The proud Pharoah asked Moses who is Jehovah i should let his people go.Jehovah told Pharoah i have kept you in existence to show you i have long suffering and forgivness but that you will see i am God almighty.Pharoah was still haughty even after he let his people go he went after them.Jehovah buried him in the Red Sea.Do you think Pharoah knew Gods name then?
Through-out the bible false worship and bowing down to idols is NOT accepted by Jehovah.The Israelites were put to death worshipping images.Can you image how Jehovah was hurt at heart after he saved them from Pharoah...only to do that to him?Again thats why using his name and worshipping him with spirit and truth thru Jesus is the only way.Saints,the virgin Mary is NOT accepted.No one comes to the father except thru me said Jesus.He is Gods mediator.
-
Are you absolutely positive that you have never had a prayer answered? Do you have healthy children? Have you been able to make some extra money doing surveys?
Do you have enough to eat? I could go on but hopefully it makes sense so far. Praying is a way of life, whether we realize it or not.
Many of us practice it consciously, others do not even know that they are doing it. But it's the same thing. I think it's just a matter of paying attention.
-
I don't believe in coincidence.
-
Are you absolutely positive that you have never had a prayer answered? Do you have healthy children? Have you been able to make some extra money doing surveys?
Do you have enough to eat? I could go on but hopefully it makes sense so far. Praying is a way of life, whether we realize it or not.
Many of us practice it consciously, others do not even know that they are doing it. But it's the same thing. I think it's just a matter of paying attention.
And what about the people that dont have healthy children or enuff to eat?
Stop deciding how God is gonna answer prayers cos he says to the ones not doing the right thing even their prayer is detestable to him.The bible answers how to approach him and using his name and having faith in him doing his will is a good start.
-
I believe in prayers being answered, coincidence, and fate! I think they are all what you experienced here paint....and I totally believe I have experienced these also, several times. Well more than several even, too many to list here!! I don't consider myself a religious person, really, I say prayers but I don't attend church. I believe you can be spiritual and religious without going to church. I'm very thrilled for you and I hope you are making lots of bread now!! (Yum, sounds so good!!) :)
-
I guess I don't ask in the right way or expecting too much. I've never had a prayer answered. We might lose our house this year for back taxes. Just received a letter from the group that represents the school district and we have 30 days to pay up. We only owe last year's and we've already received the township taxes for this year (we were able to pay those last year).
I'm sorry.
Me too sfreeman. I wish I was rich and I would give you money to help you out. I "pray" you get something figured out, or that your "fate" is to NOT lose your home. Hugs <3
-
Exodus
20 Then God spoke all these words:+
2 “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.+ 3 You must not have any other gods besides me.*+
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form* like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.+ 5 You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them,+ for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion,+ bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.+
Like i said earlier......i didnt write the bible.Some might ask why should God feel like this.......
Revelation 4:11 11"You are worthy, our LORD and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
I think its ok if other moms exist.Only 1 TRUE God.
-
Exodus
20 Then God spoke all these words:+
2 “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.+ 3 You must not have any other gods besides me.*+
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form* like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.+ 5 You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them,+ for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion,+ bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.+
Like i said earlier......i didnt write the bible.Some might ask why should God feel like this.......
Revelation 4:11 11"You are worthy, our LORD and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
I think its ok if other moms exist.Only 1 TRUE God.
What would believe if you had no book? Think on that for awhile.
-
I believe in prayers being answered, coincidence, and fate! I think they are all what you experienced here paint....and I totally believe I have experienced these also, several times. Well more than several even, too many to list here!! I don't consider myself a religious person, really, I say prayers but I don't attend church. I believe you can be spiritual and religious without going to church. I'm very thrilled for you and I hope you are making lots of bread now!! (Yum, sounds so good!!) :)
This is not the first time I've had something like this happen, either. It surprises me sometimes.
I'm baking at least once a week. It is so much easier with enough bread pans!
-
Exodus
20 Then God spoke all these words:+
2 “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.+ 3 You must not have any other gods besides me.*+
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form* like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.+ 5 You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them,+ for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion,+ bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.+
Like i said earlier......i didnt write the bible.Some might ask why should God feel like this.......
Revelation 4:11 11"You are worthy, our LORD and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
I think its ok if other moms exist.Only 1 TRUE God.
What would believe if you had no book? Think on that for awhile.
I was brought up a catholic and i had questions RE their teachings.I wont get into that unless you really wanna know.
The question that bugged me the most was why does a loving God permit so much dying and wickedness in the world.A gentlemen my age was going door to door that day from Jehovahs organization and gave me a book called "Evolution or Creation.I took the book and after a month i skimmed thru it and there was a chaptor in it why God permits wickedness and it explained by referencing the bible.This was around 1973 when smoking pot and not working were the answers.
I knew from there that i never really understood bible.Now i do from association,meetings etc that this is Gods organization.But to know the answers isnt enuff.Or should i say faith without works is dead.I have my own battles in life and i enjoy still sharing what i know and will defend Gods organization.
I have even seen you quote parts of the bible but question other parts.You cant serve 2 masters said Jesus.That pertains to all of us.
-
Exodus
20 Then God spoke all these words:+
2 “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.+ 3 You must not have any other gods besides me.*+
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form* like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.+ 5 You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them,+ for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion,+ bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.+
Like i said earlier......i didnt write the bible.Some might ask why should God feel like this.......
Revelation 4:11 11"You are worthy, our LORD and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
I think its ok if other moms exist.Only 1 TRUE God.
What would believe if you had no book? Think on that for awhile.
I was brought up a catholic and i had questions RE their teachings.I wont get into that unless you really wanna know.
The question that bugged me the most was why does a loving God permit so much dying and wickedness in the world.A gentlemen my age was going door to door that day from Jehovahs organization and gave me a book called "Evolution or Creation.I took the book and after a month i skimmed thru it and there was a chaptor in it why God permits wickedness and it explained by referencing the bible.This was around 1973 when smoking pot and not working were the answers.
I knew from there that i never really understood bible.Now i do from association,meetings etc that this is Gods organization.But to know the answers isnt enuff.Or should i say faith without works is dead.I have my own battles in life and i enjoy still sharing what i know and will defend Gods organization.
I have even seen you quote parts of the bible but question other parts.You cant serve 2 masters said Jesus.That pertains to all of us.
There's the rub, Hitch. The bible is not who/what I serve.
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
-
Exodus
20 Then God spoke all these words:+
2 “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.+ 3 You must not have any other gods besides me.*+
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form* like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.+ 5 You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them,+ for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion,+ bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.+
Like i said earlier......i didnt write the bible.Some might ask why should God feel like this.......
Revelation 4:11 11"You are worthy, our LORD and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
I think its ok if other moms exist.Only 1 TRUE God.
What would believe if you had no book? Think on that for awhile.
Oh that is an excellent question!!
-
Exodus
20 Then God spoke all these words:+
2 “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.+ 3 You must not have any other gods besides me.*+
4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form* like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.+ 5 You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them,+ for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion,+ bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.+
Like i said earlier......i didnt write the bible.Some might ask why should God feel like this.......
Revelation 4:11 11"You are worthy, our LORD and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
I think its ok if other moms exist.Only 1 TRUE God.
What would believe if you had no book? Think on that for awhile.
Oh that is an excellent question!!
For 25 years it was like i had NO book <bible.The teachings i got from other religeons werent worth anything but confusion and pagan garbage.I am grateful the TRUE God helped me understand what the truth is.It certainly doesnt come from Satan,mankind or our own,
Math 4:4 4 But he answered: “It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’”+
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
Hitch, the bible is a book written by men. There is truth in it, but it is not THE Truth.
God is not limited by your holy books, or by your religion.
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
Hitch, the bible is a book written by men. There is truth in it, but it is not THE Truth.
God is not limited by your holy books, or by your religion.
Paints that is true men wrote it,but God inspired them what to write,just like a secretary takes dictation from her boss.2 Timothy 3:16-17, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.". All Scripture is inspired by God Inspired by God, not man. God chose to work through the agency of His people.
From what the bible reads if those were just mens words there would be NO problems in this world.But it tells us all the answers to why we we are here,why we die etc.It has been around 1000s of yrs,translated into many languages and shows its divinity predicting the future.Even California Physics cant duplicate its divinity that way.
1 example is how Jesus told his followers when they saw city of Jerusalem surrounded by the Roman armies to leave the city.In 66 CE the Roman armies surrounded the city but withdrew.Those that left were saved cos in 70CE Jerusalem was taken.Go read history or are you gonna dispute that too?There are even names of the Generals involved both yrs.I dont have them offhand and i am sure you arent interested,but if u ask i will provide.
You are quite lost if you arent convinced the bible wasnt written by God.Its a lot easier to know that then think HE provided you with baking pans.
-
Luke 21:20-22
20 “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies,a then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.b 21 Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains,c let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, 22 because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled.
-
Men thought the earth was flat.The bible told long ago it wasnt......
Isa 40:22 22 There is One who dwells above the circle* of the earth,+
-
Good words.
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
Hitch, the bible is a book written by men. There is truth in it, but it is not THE Truth.
God is not limited by your holy books, or by your religion.
Paints that is true men wrote it,but God inspired them what to write,just like a secretary takes dictation from her boss.2 Timothy 3:16-17, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.". All Scripture is inspired by God Inspired by God, not man. God chose to work through the agency of His people.
From what the bible reads if those were just mens words there would be NO problems in this world.But it tells us all the answers to why we we are here,why we die etc.It has been around 1000s of yrs,translated into many languages and shows its divinity predicting the future.Even California Physics cant duplicate its divinity that way.
1 example is how Jesus told his followers when they saw city of Jerusalem surrounded by the Roman armies to leave the city.In 66 CE the Roman armies surrounded the city but withdrew.Those that left were saved cos in 70CE Jerusalem was taken.Go read history or are you gonna dispute that too?There are even names of the Generals involved both yrs.I dont have them offhand and i am sure you arent interested,but if u ask i will provide.
You are quite lost if you arent convinced the bible wasnt written by God.Its a lot easier to know that then think HE provided you with baking pans.
Hitch, the bible is not the Author nor Finisher of my faith. The bible is not my King. The bible is not the Ancient of Days. The bible is not the One who will lead me into all Truth.
I know whom I have believed.
-
Paints if u dont mind me asking,do u believe Jesus existed?And if u do aside from the bible how would we know about his life?
When he tells Pilate i came into the world to speak the truth and tell us who God is and that he is Gods son and existed ions ago in heaven as a spirit you dont accept that?
Or with all the influence of the occult and evil in this world you dont think Satan and his angels exist either?
-
Awhile back, I got interested in baking bread. It was a little frustrating because most of the recipes I've found make anywhere from 2 to 4 loaves, and I only had one loaf pan. I was baking either one loaf at a time, or using different sized pans.
One day, after it had taken almost all day to get the bread baked, and having to figure out how long the different sized loaves would take to bake, I said, "Lord, I really need some bread pans...and maybe a blender too, if you don't mind..."
A few days later, I had to go to the apartment complex office. As I walked in, I noticed there were some things on the free table, so I walked over to check it out. Sitting right on the end, there were 4 bread pans and a blender.
I would say an answered prayer.
-
I guess I don't ask in the right way or expecting too much. I've never had a prayer answered. We might lose our house this year for back taxes. Just received a letter from the group that represents the school district and we have 30 days to pay up. We only owe last year's and we've already received the township taxes for this year (we were able to pay those last year).
You are one year behind and they are giving you 30 days to get off the property? That seems odd. Guess it depends on the state and the county. In my county it has to be I think 2 years behind. But then if they have a property sale the new owner cannot do anything with the property for 1 year because the previous owner can still come back and reclaim the property for one more year.
I would check with a lawyer before I just vacated the property. I deposit a little in to an account every month so I have the property taxes.
-
Again, I am new to the Forum so I am not sure where I am in the conversation but we should not only pray when we are in need. Praying includes giving thanks, praying for others, praying for the world in general, praying for the beauty we are blessed to see every single day. It is called practicing your faith and it works. I have experienced it more times than I can count. What we want is not always best. God, by whatever name, will take care of it. We have free will but God knows best. (I do NOT attend church nor do I follow any religion.)
Actually, you can and should pray about anything and everything. There is nothing wrong with praying, like she did for a loaf pan. It worked. She not only got 1 but 4 and the blender as well. Obviously she could not just go out and purchase the items. She asked God for them and they showed up at her door.
-
Are you absolutely positive that you have never had a prayer answered? Do you have healthy children? Have you been able to make some extra money doing surveys?
Do you have enough to eat? I could go on but hopefully it makes sense so far. Praying is a way of life, whether we realize it or not.
Many of us practice it consciously, others do not even know that they are doing it. But it's the same thing. I think it's just a matter of paying attention.
Most people do not sit down in front of the computer and pray to God that they can make money doing surveys. But I do see what you are saying.
At the same time I know people who are total atheist and they have plenty to eat, they have plenty of money, they have healthy children and on and on. Praying is a way of life for the Christian.
-
An answer to your prayers. God is so good and works wonders in our lives. I love it when prayers are answered for such simple things in our lives. It really makes you think and count your blessings I believe. I would say Coincidence if it was one object but having both there I have to believe God heard you and granted your wishes. Thank You Jesus
-
Again, I am new to the Forum so I am not sure where I am in the conversation but we should not only pray when we are in need. Praying includes giving thanks, praying for others, praying for the world in general, praying for the beauty we are blessed to see every single day. It is called practicing your faith and it works. I have experienced it more times than I can count. What we want is not always best. God, by whatever name, will take care of it. We have free will but God knows best. (I do NOT attend church nor do I follow any religion.)
God by whatever name?
First off the bible says Jehovah is most high over the earth.KJV Psalms 83:18
The bible also says there are many gods.Satan is even referred to being a god.Did it ever occur to you Jehovah would like credit for being the TRUE God?He is quite jealous when some might differentiate and i doubt very much that DONT use his name and say the prayer thru Jesus the prayer will NOT be answered.Actually the bible says HE will detest the prayer.
How would you like it if someone said when addressing you "whatever your name is"?
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.
Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.
Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Or to have enough bread pans to do the job...:)
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.
Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.
Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.
Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible. You said that. I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.
You pound us with scripture to support your point of view. Do you think we learn from that?
The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book.
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.
Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.
Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.
Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible. You said that. I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.
You pound us with scripture to support your point of view. Do you think we learn from that?
The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book.
Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.
I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.
It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.
Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!
A weapon!!!LOL!!!
20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.
-
Hebrews 4:12 New International Version (NIV)
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Those that want to view the word of God as a sword <weapon>are those NOT with the RIGHT heart condition towards God.
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.
Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.
Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.
Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible. You said that. I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.
You pound us with scripture to support your point of view. Do you think we learn from that?
The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book.
Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.
I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.
It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.
Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!
A weapon!!!LOL!!!
20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.
Jesus didn't have the bible.
The bible is a crutch. We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages. We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war. We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized.
God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him. The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom. The gates are open to any who will come.
-
What ingredients have u been using baking that bread?
Pardon my humor.Let me quickly just address a few things u just said.
Jesus always referred to the bible.He said on many occasions how the scriptures needed to be fulfilled.In an example he referred to Noahs day and the flood.I dont feel like writing a book now.
Also re slavery...man created it...God regulated it in a just way.You sound like ur blaming God for bringing sin into the world.This is where u puzzle me.You say u support bible and the few things i just mention you dont have a clue.
God tries no one with evil.
. Proverbs 19:3 realistically describes the situation: “It is the foolishness of an earthling man that distorts his way, and so his heart becomes enraged against Jehovah himself.”
That scripture is EZ to understand.A man loses his rent money in a casino and then blames God.I guess being described as foolish fits pretty well....eh?
Also...when Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of this world to Pilate he meant his government that his father enthroned him as king of it.NOT everyone will be allowed in.The road is narrow.Many prefer their ungodly ways and support the devil.
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.
Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.
Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.
Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible. You said that. I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.
You pound us with scripture to support your point of view. Do you think we learn from that?
The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book.
Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.
I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.
It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.
Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!
A weapon!!!LOL!!!
20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.
Jesus didn't have the bible.
The bible is a crutch. We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages. We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war. We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized.
God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him. The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom. The gates are open to any who will come.
At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.
I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.
What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.
Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.
-
JJ u were doing well until you came to your 3rd line.
Why dont you explain to us all how the JWs is a man made religeon?Do yourself a favor and worry about your own nameless god.I honestly think ud make more sense if u were an atheist.Your Babylonish religeon as well as christendom support war and politics.Thats manmade.JWs adhere to the bible and DONT!!
Thru the yrs on here i have shown you reference from the bible what Gods name is,how Jesus is his begotten son,the trinity isnt biblically supported,man isnt an immortal soul,how the kingdom will be preached worldwide,what command Jesus said to obey on Passover......whew im getting tired.
For a change why dont YOU back up your beliefs like Xmas etc?You back-up nativity scenes when 2nd chaptor of Mark clearly shows Satan put the star in the sky and King Herod when on a murderous spree.I wouldnt be too proud to support many 2 yr olds being slaughtered.2nd chaptor of Math...scuse me.Oh but your bible doesnt portray that.Yours has The Little Drummer Boy playing for Jesus and getting smiled at.HAHA!!!
You are funny.JWs dont take part in political garbage and your Babylonish sect as well as the rest of christendom bows down to the UN when Jesus clearly says his kingdom is NO part of this world and Satan is your god.But yet u foolishly dispute that.There it is in BLACK and WHITE and u say JWs are man made...LOL
Why do bother to say rest in peace to those that die if they have an immortal soul?Makes no sense.Bible clearly explains what death is.And it ISNT life.DUST!!!
Math 22:31-32
31 Regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, who said: 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob’?a He is the God, not of the dead, but of the living.
Now here is your god
Jesus Christ said of him: “That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.” (Joh 8:44; 1Jo 3:8) Jesus here shows that Satan was once in the truth, but forsook it. Beginning with his first overt act in turning Adam and Eve away from God, he was a manslayer, for he thereby brought about the death of Adam and Eve, which, in turn, brought sin and death to their offspring. (Ro 5:12) Throughout the Scriptures the qualities and actions attributed to him could be attributed only to a person, not to an abstract principle of evil. It is clear that the Jews, and Jesus and his disciples, knew that Satan existed as a person.
Do us all a favor.From the bible truths just displayed keep your Babylonish BS to yourself.
Do you also believe that animals are in heaven when the bible says flesh and blood dont exist there?So simple...Jesus is my Lord even tho he says those that endure to the end will be saved.
I have made your name known said Jesus Re God.I have made " I ams"name known......LOOOOOOLL!!!
Stick with your fantasy world JJ.Your make believe garbage doesnt mix with bible truths.
Just a reminder,the pledge and standing before the flag is manmade.JWs dont.Half million died in Vietnam.JWs remain neutral.Half a miilion soldiers had no idea why they died in Vietnam and many thousand were injured physically and mentally and u have the nerve to say JWs is a manmade religeon when your worship of your flag caused that grief!!If they listening to Jesus words they wouldnt have risked their lives for that nonsense.They died for a manmade cause of nonsense.Wake up!!
JWs manmade?LOL!
Worship of idols and people are manmade.You getting this?Do u need to consult a piece of wood to address my questions?
I saw on Facebook earlier to donate to "Our Lady of Guadalupe"Ya cant make this stuff up!!What part of bible was she in?At least Mary was Jesus mom and the only good thing about her is we all know what the "Hail Mary"is in the NFL...but many dont know Jesus is the ONLY mediator to God.
Ya gotta admit,Satan has done 1 heckuva job blinding many.But he wont be happy cos he couldnt do it to everyone.Many even died for the truth.
-
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
I gotta admit,the world hanging on by a band-aid and God is concerned about bread pans?
That would be quite a mystery.But i guess it depends what god u r referring to.It very well could be 1 of ur nameless or false gods..
I saw on Facebook earlier if we donated to our Lady of Guadalupe we might find a miracle.Hmmmmmmm i wonder if she specializes in making donuts too?
-
What ingredients have u been using baking that bread?
Pardon my humor.Let me quickly just address a few things u just said.
Jesus always referred to the bible.He said on many occasions how the scriptures needed to be fulfilled.In an example he referred to Noahs day and the flood.I dont feel like writing a book now.
Also re slavery...man created it...God regulated it in a just way.You sound like ur blaming God for bringing sin into the world.This is where u puzzle me.You say u support bible and the few things i just mention you dont have a clue.
God tries no one with evil.
. Proverbs 19:3 realistically describes the situation: “It is the foolishness of an earthling man that distorts his way, and so his heart becomes enraged against Jehovah himself.”
That scripture is EZ to understand.A man loses his rent money in a casino and then blames God.I guess being described as foolish fits pretty well....eh?
Also...when Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of this world to Pilate he meant his government that his father enthroned him as king of it.NOT everyone will be allowed in.The road is narrow.Many prefer their ungodly ways and support the devil.
https://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipes/walter-sands-basic-white-bread-recipe
-
What ingredients have u been using baking that bread?
Pardon my humor.Let me quickly just address a few things u just said.
Jesus always referred to the bible.He said on many occasions how the scriptures needed to be fulfilled.In an example he referred to Noahs day and the flood.I dont feel like writing a book now.
Also re slavery...man created it...God regulated it in a just way.You sound like ur blaming God for bringing sin into the world.This is where u puzzle me.You say u support bible and the few things i just mention you dont have a clue.
God tries no one with evil.
. Proverbs 19:3 realistically describes the situation: “It is the foolishness of an earthling man that distorts his way, and so his heart becomes enraged against Jehovah himself.”
That scripture is EZ to understand.A man loses his rent money in a casino and then blames God.I guess being described as foolish fits pretty well....eh?
Also...when Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of this world to Pilate he meant his government that his father enthroned him as king of it.NOT everyone will be allowed in.The road is narrow.Many prefer their ungodly ways and support the devil.
https://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipes/walter-sands-basic-white-bread-recipe
Thanx Paints but i leaving the baking and cooking up to my wife.She actually wanted to bake Easter bread when we have a bakery 5 minutes from us that make it outstanding.You should look up the recipe for that.It is quite good
Watch some idiot say ur a hipocrite for eating Easter bread.LOL!!I gues if i eat a candy cane around Xmas im a hypocrite too...LOL!!
I make tips on Xmas for my job.I dont accept them cos its Jesus birthday.....i accept them as gratitude for me doing my job from the people i work for.
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.
Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.
Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.
Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible. You said that. I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.
You pound us with scripture to support your point of view. Do you think we learn from that?
The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book.
Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.
I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.
It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.
Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!
A weapon!!!LOL!!!
20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.
Jesus didn't have the bible.
The bible is a crutch. We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages. We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war. We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized.
God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him. The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom. The gates are open to any who will come.
At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.
I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.
What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.
Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.
I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification. There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.
Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men."
He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
You don't need a book to do that.
-
What ingredients have u been using baking that bread?
Pardon my humor.Let me quickly just address a few things u just said.
Jesus always referred to the bible.He said on many occasions how the scriptures needed to be fulfilled.In an example he referred to Noahs day and the flood.I dont feel like writing a book now.
Also re slavery...man created it...God regulated it in a just way.You sound like ur blaming God for bringing sin into the world.This is where u puzzle me.You say u support bible and the few things i just mention you dont have a clue.
God tries no one with evil.
. Proverbs 19:3 realistically describes the situation: “It is the foolishness of an earthling man that distorts his way, and so his heart becomes enraged against Jehovah himself.”
That scripture is EZ to understand.A man loses his rent money in a casino and then blames God.I guess being described as foolish fits pretty well....eh?
Also...when Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of this world to Pilate he meant his government that his father enthroned him as king of it.NOT everyone will be allowed in.The road is narrow.Many prefer their ungodly ways and support the devil.
https://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipes/walter-sands-basic-white-bread-recipe
Thanx Paints but i leaving the baking and cooking up to my wife.She actually wanted to bake Easter bread when we have a bakery 5 minutes from us that make it outstanding.You should look up the recipe for that.It is quite good
Watch some idiot say ur a hipocrite for eating Easter bread.LOL!!I gues if i eat a candy cane around Xmas im a hypocrite too...LOL!!
I make tips on Xmas for my job.I dont accept them cos its Jesus birthday.....i accept them as gratitude for me doing my job from the people i work for.
Well you did ask...:D
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.
Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.
Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.
Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible. You said that. I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.
You pound us with scripture to support your point of view. Do you think we learn from that?
The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book.
Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.
I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.
It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.
Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!
A weapon!!!LOL!!!
20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.
Jesus didn't have the bible.
The bible is a crutch. We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages. We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war. We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized.
God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him. The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom. The gates are open to any who will come.
At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.
I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.
What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.
Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.
I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification. There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.
Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men."
He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
You don't need a book to do that.
Paints...the key word here is temporary.Slavery will NOT exist in Gods kingdom.NOR will man run the show.Stuff like that has been allowed cos Satan raised the question in Eden and in Job.Time was needed to go off the clock to see where people stood.Yes those 2 commands Jesus gave set it up for all the other ones.You wont kill or steal from your neighbor if u love him.
How many of us love God when people cant even say his name?TEMPORARY.Jesus died once for all time.This will never happen again.Gods kingdom rules forever.To us it looks like forever.But 1 day with God is 1000 of our yrs.He is the alpha and omega.This has been only going on 6 days in his timetable.
This isnt the rel life our Creator had intended for us.He created mankind to live forever on earth as long as he loved and obeyed him.We all know the story.Rebellion in Eden.Challenges in Book of Job.Gods name smeared by Satan and all who follow him.God put out a seed <Jesus>that cured it to those that desire it.The earth taken care of by men and turning it into a paradise that was originally the goal.Under Gods guidance thru Jesus.
Not everyone will listen.Those that dont will NEVER exist again.There will be no more wars,hunger,sickness,dying in Gods new world.No greed.The former things have passed away after God cleanses the earth of the satanic rule on it now.The dead will be resurrected to hear the truth and decide what side they are on.1000 yr rein of Jesus after Armagheddon.Satan will be loosed again and still bring down many,Its described as the particles in sand.Then they will all be obliberated.NEVER again will this world have this kind of rulership or sin.We have the prospect of living forever in a world run by our Creator.Who will accept it?It takes more then these fool saying they accept Jesus as Lord and going to heaven.
-
Let me give a good example of what Satan accused Jehovah of.He made it sound like to Eve he was holding something better back from her.He then told God lemme turn Job into poverty and he will curse you.
Job proved the devil a liar.Jesus was even a better example what he went thru and kept his integrity.
Suppose you had a family and took very good care of them.Your neighbor starts spreading lies you arent worth a d*m and are a lousy parent.You know its a lie and probably wanna go kick his butt.But does that answer the question?It might even look like if u did that that the neighbor was right.So you let time go off the clock and everyone see the children really love you and are taken care of.
Exactly what Jehovah did.He was powerful enuff he could have gotten rid of A&E and Satan immediately but didnt.Time showed other rule apart from his doesnt work.How can anyone argue with mankinds history.
But many still will cos they wanna have that Hitler attitude.So guess what?They will die.
Exodus 9:16 16 But for this very reason I have kept you in existence: to show you my power and to have my name declared in all the earth.+
Can u imagine Pharoah said to Moses,who is Jehovah i should let his people go?That scripture shows Gods love and patience...but it also showed He was God when he buried Egypt in the sea....and found out his name the hard way.
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.
Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.
Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.
Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible. You said that. I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.
You pound us with scripture to support your point of view. Do you think we learn from that?
The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book.
Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.
I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.
It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.
Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!
A weapon!!!LOL!!!
20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.
Jesus didn't have the bible.
The bible is a crutch. We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages. We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war. We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized.
God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him. The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom. The gates are open to any who will come.
At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.
I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.
What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.
Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.
I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification. There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.
Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men."
He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
You don't need a book to do that.
The problem you seem to have is the one I see from most agnostics, which is that you seem to equate things in the bible that were (for lack of a better term) 'necessary evils' with something God condones.
Things like slavery were not the same back then as it was in American history. It wasn't based in racism but financial reality. The same with things like war. Sometimes things need to happen regardless how ugly, for the survival of Mankind.
One need only look at the Death of Jesus to see how such an ugly event was crucial for the salvation of Mankind. You can't miss the forest for the trees, to use an old cliche.
-
JJ u were doing well until you came to your 3rd line.
Why dont you explain to us all how the JWs is a man made religeon?Do yourself a favor and worry about your own nameless god.I honestly think ud make more sense if u were an atheist.Your Babylonish religeon as well as christendom support war and politics.Thats manmade.JWs adhere to the bible and DONT!!
Thru the yrs on here i have shown you reference from the bible what Gods name is,how Jesus is his begotten son,the trinity isnt biblically supported,man isnt an immortal soul,how the kingdom will be preached worldwide,what command Jesus said to obey on Passover......whew im getting tired.
For a change why dont YOU back up your beliefs like Xmas etc?You back-up nativity scenes when 2nd chaptor of Mark clearly shows Satan put the star in the sky and King Herod when on a murderous spree.I wouldnt be too proud to support many 2 yr olds being slaughtered.2nd chaptor of Math...scuse me.Oh but your bible doesnt portray that.Yours has The Little Drummer Boy playing for Jesus and getting smiled at.HAHA!!!
You are funny.JWs dont take part in political garbage and your Babylonish sect as well as the rest of christendom bows down to the UN when Jesus clearly says his kingdom is NO part of this world and Satan is your god.But yet u foolishly dispute that.There it is in BLACK and WHITE and u say JWs are man made...LOL
Why do bother to say rest in peace to those that die if they have an immortal soul?Makes no sense.Bible clearly explains what death is.And it ISNT life.DUST!!!
Math 22:31-32
31 Regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, who said: 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob’?a He is the God, not of the dead, but of the living.
Now here is your god
Jesus Christ said of him: “That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.” (Joh 8:44; 1Jo 3:8) Jesus here shows that Satan was once in the truth, but forsook it. Beginning with his first overt act in turning Adam and Eve away from God, he was a manslayer, for he thereby brought about the death of Adam and Eve, which, in turn, brought sin and death to their offspring. (Ro 5:12) Throughout the Scriptures the qualities and actions attributed to him could be attributed only to a person, not to an abstract principle of evil. It is clear that the Jews, and Jesus and his disciples, knew that Satan existed as a person.
Do us all a favor.From the bible truths just displayed keep your Babylonish BS to yourself.
Do you also believe that animals are in heaven when the bible says flesh and blood dont exist there?So simple...Jesus is my Lord even tho he says those that endure to the end will be saved.
I have made your name known said Jesus Re God.I have made " I ams"name known......LOOOOOOLL!!!
Stick with your fantasy world JJ.Your make believe garbage doesnt mix with bible truths.
Just a reminder,the pledge and standing before the flag is manmade.JWs dont.Half million died in Vietnam.JWs remain neutral.Half a miilion soldiers had no idea why they died in Vietnam and many thousand were injured physically and mentally and u have the nerve to say JWs is a manmade religeon when your worship of your flag caused that grief!!If they listening to Jesus words they wouldnt have risked their lives for that nonsense.They died for a manmade cause of nonsense.Wake up!!
JWs manmade?LOL!
Worship of idols and people are manmade.You getting this?Do u need to consult a piece of wood to address my questions?
I saw on Facebook earlier to donate to "Our Lady of Guadalupe"Ya cant make this stuff up!!What part of bible was she in?At least Mary was Jesus mom and the only good thing about her is we all know what the "Hail Mary"is in the NFL...but many dont know Jesus is the ONLY mediator to God.
Ya gotta admit,Satan has done 1 heckuva job blinding many.But he wont be happy cos he couldnt do it to everyone.Many even died for the truth.
We've gone over this a million times, hitch. It's like talking to a brick wall, you've got your head so far in the JW grass it's hardly worthy to make the effort.
Just remember that ALL of the world's cults- be they Islam, Mormonism, JWs-- they ALL fail to find the God of the Bible because they try to explain the Trinity away by Man made doctrine. Unless you accept the Father, Son & Holy Ghost as the Triune God, you will be chasing Man Made doctrine till the cows come home.
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.
Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.
Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.
Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible. You said that. I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.
You pound us with scripture to support your point of view. Do you think we learn from that?
The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book.
Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.
I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.
It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.
Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!
A weapon!!!LOL!!!
20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.
Jesus didn't have the bible.
The bible is a crutch. We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages. We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war. We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized.
God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him. The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom. The gates are open to any who will come.
At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.
I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.
What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.
Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.
I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification. There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.
Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men."
He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
You don't need a book to do that.
The problem you seem to have is the one I see from most agnostics, which is that you seem to equate things in the bible that were (for lack of a better term) 'necessary evils' with something God condones.
Things like slavery were not the same back then as it was in American history. It wasn't based in racism but financial reality. The same with things like war. Sometimes things need to happen regardless how ugly, for the survival of Mankind.
One need only look at the Death of Jesus to see how such an ugly event was crucial for the salvation of Mankind. You can't miss the forest for the trees, to use an old cliche.
You are quite wrong.If A&E and Satan didnt rebel Jesus DIDNT have to die.You make it sound like God intended it.He fixed the situation.He didnt start it.Wake up!!!
I remember your foolishness backing up Jesus birth which isnt a command by him in bible.Its his death.
You said if he wasnt born he couldnt die then.HAHA.
The seed God spoke of had to die.Its a Godly principal.Eye for an eye.God said Jesus became the Last Adam.Ransomed sin Adam caused.
Point being if he was born and lived for a zillion yrs on earth it woulda meant nothing like whats between your ears.
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
1st Corinth 15:22
And you say things have to happen for the survival of mankind.Like what and from whom?Man????LOL!!!
If God never intervenes here the planet is doomed!But in your Babylonish way of thinking the good will die and go to heaven....LOL!!And the wicked will go to h*ll.
So why did God create man to die on the earth?Kinda silly to see that cycle go on for eternity.Man dies..goes to the spiritual realm while misery continues on earth.
You are too blind to be even blind!!
-
Trinity....LOL!!Not even mentioned in bible yet Jesus said the father is greater then i.And he was born twice and he was mortal cos he died.Jehovah always was.The alpha and omega.What i say is IN the bible.What you say is in your grass fields with the manure.Now go feed the cows.LOL!
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.
Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.
Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.
Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible. You said that. I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.
You pound us with scripture to support your point of view. Do you think we learn from that?
The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book.
Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.
I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.
It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.
Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!
A weapon!!!LOL!!!
20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.
Jesus didn't have the bible.
The bible is a crutch. We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages. We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war. We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized.
God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him. The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom. The gates are open to any who will come.
At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.
I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.
What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.
Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.
I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification. There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.
Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men."
He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
You don't need a book to do that.
Paints im not quite clear why you have a problem with God using the bible?As you know <i think>its been around 1000s of yrs,translated into many languages,shown its divinity,and many have tried to destroy it and it stands the test of time hands down.
Did u know when the Israelites heard Gods voice they told Moses they were afraid of dying.They were scared.
Maybe another good reason the bible has 40 writers all in accord with themselves from what God wanted written down for us.
-
JJ i wanna make sure you understand me and i wanna be fair back to you.
First off.......Parents will let their children go thru a painful operation if it is going to help cure a condition.
So u say for the survival of mankind sometimes a terrible situation must happen....and u used Jesus death as an example.I understand exactly why God did that.First off it balanced the scales of justice...his perfect life for perfect life Adam threw away.Satans accusations RE Gods name come into play here too.EX rebellion in Eden and Satans lies there and in book of Job.
But if you are using your analogy to justify world wars for the American way You are too full of nationalism and if u think you have Gods approval this isnt what bible teaches.
The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom or governement with Jesus appointed king of by his father to bring peace and harmony to the universe and vindicate Jehovah as GOD!!!Of course it answers other questions and is a history book so we can learn from past experiences.EX how God felt with false worship in Moses day and that still stands today.
So the terrible death Jesus suffered NEVER woulda happened if A&E told Satan to take a hike.They never woulda had to die.The purpose was for the human famiily to live forever on earth and take care of his home with obedience to Jehovah as righteous & rightful ruler.
All the terrible things in this world such as war are manmade/satanic......why doo u think i emphasis Jesus saying his kingdom was NO part of this world?
You are blinded by Satan using nationalism as many are.Friendship with the world is enmity with God.James 4:4
As i saywhat i tell u is in bible.You support the constitution of the US more.
I dont know what your profession is.I hope you arent a cook.The way you concoct what goes on here,if u ever did that with food many would be sick.But its what to expect from Christendom.Jesus warned us about manmade doctrines.The people with the RIGHT heart conditions hear Jesus voice and obey and understand what he says.And Jesus always gave his father the credit for that.NEVER did he challenege Jehovah for being God and u and many are blinded my manmade trinity BS!!!Among other things.
-
Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.
Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told Eve she would be better off doing?
Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.
"Choose you this day who you will serve." Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...
Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.
Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.
Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.
Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.
Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible. You said that. I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.
You pound us with scripture to support your point of view. Do you think we learn from that?
The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book.
Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.
I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.
It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.
Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!
A weapon!!!LOL!!!
20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.
Jesus didn't have the bible.
The bible is a crutch. We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages. We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war. We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized.
God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him. The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom. The gates are open to any who will come.
At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.
I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.
What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.
Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.
I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification. There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.
Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men."
He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself.
You don't need a book to do that.
Paints im not quite clear why you have a problem with God using the bible?As you know <i think>its been around 1000s of yrs,translated into many languages,shown its divinity,and many have tried to destroy it and it stands the test of time hands down.
Did u know when the Israelites heard Gods voice they told Moses they were afraid of dying.They were scared.
Maybe another good reason the bible has 40 writers all in accord with themselves from what God wanted written down for us.
Hitch, I don't have a problem with God using the bible. I have a problem with men using the bible to justify doing evil.
Did you know there is a new translation of the bible being done? It's called the Conservative Bible Project, and their stated purpose for re-translation is to remove the "liberal bias" of the original.
Do you think this is the first time someone didn't like what the bible said, and decided to change it?
-
Paints now lemme ask this so i understand what ur saying.UR saying slavery,wars etc exist because they are in the bible and men say if its in there its ok to do them or it?
On another note Gods name has caused much in translations.But there is NO doubt God wanted his name known and used to identify him from false Gods and being the TRUE God.
Do u beleive the God of the bible is the TRUE God?
Your thoughts on Jesus,Satan and the trinity?
Leave the bread recipes out.<wink>
Paints if some men wanna justify war and slavery <as 2 examples>being in the bible then they are foolish.As i said God regulated slavery,in his kingdom it wont exist.God justified war cos of man sinning against him.He always gave ample warning.He even used war to punish his people when they disobeyed.He always gave warning tho.Many examples in bible.The Ninevites repented and they were spared was destruction.Jonah was even disppointed they had repented.God taught him a lesson.Jehovah is very forgiving when he sees its in our heart.
JJ even supported Jesus apostles having their swords.There was a difference in them wearing them and using them as was seenwhen Jesus scolded Peter for using his.
There it is in black and white and foolish ones like JJ and Controversial girl dont get it...so they run under the bed when it hits them dead on.They are full of Nationalism...a tool of the devil.
I dont condone Bin Laden what he did.But what has the good ol USA done to other countries cos they wanna rule the world?
Half million soldiers died in Vietnam over what?NONSENSE!!!Can u blame Gods people for not standing for the flag,refusing political office or going in the service?
But i am not saying to disrespect it either.Pay your taxes,obey laws when they dont compromise Gods and be kind.
-
JJ i wanna make sure you understand me and i wanna be fair back to you.
First off.......Parents will let their children go thru a painful operation if it is going to help cure a condition.
So u say for the survival of mankind sometimes a terrible situation must happen....and u used Jesus death as an example.I understand exactly why God did that.First off it balanced the scales of justice...his perfect life for perfect life Adam threw away.Satans accusations RE Gods name come into play here too.EX rebellion in Eden and Satans lies there and in book of Job.
But if you are using your analogy to justify world wars for the American way You are too full of nationalism and if u think you have Gods approval this isnt what bible teaches.
The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom or governement with Jesus appointed king of by his father to bring peace and harmony to the universe and vindicate Jehovah as GOD!!!Of course it answers other questions and is a history book so we can learn from past experiences.EX how God felt with false worship in Moses day and that still stands today.
So the terrible death Jesus suffered NEVER woulda happened if A&E told Satan to take a hike.They never woulda had to die.The purpose was for the human famiily to live forever on earth and take care of his home with obedience to Jehovah as righteous & rightful ruler.
All the terrible things in this world such as war are manmade/satanic......why doo u think i emphasis Jesus saying his kingdom was NO part of this world?
You are blinded by Satan using nationalism as many are.Friendship with the world is enmity with God.James 4:4
As i saywhat i tell u is in bible.You support the constitution of the US more.
I dont know what your profession is.I hope you arent a cook.The way you concoct what goes on here,if u ever did that with food many would be sick.But its what to expect from Christendom.Jesus warned us about manmade doctrines.The people with the RIGHT heart conditions hear Jesus voice and obey and understand what he says.And Jesus always gave his father the credit for that.NEVER did he challenege Jehovah for being God and u and many are blinded my manmade trinity BS!!!Among other things.
The problem I think both you and paints is having is that you try to broad brush war as inherently evil. If that were the case, God would not have commanded the Israelites to wage war on the evil nations. Some nations needed to be punished for their decadence, others because of the danger they possessed to Israel. It's NOT a sin to go to war if the cause be just.
It's something God has to allow due to our cursed creation, so it's not a part of His plan, but there is no sin in defending yourself from those who seek to kill/ enslave you. Have either of you ever seen the Lord of The Rings for Heaven sake? The Two Towers alone is a meditation on the necessity of defending oneself as a nation.
-
Trinity....LOL!!Not even mentioned in bible yet Jesus said the father is greater then i.And he was born twice and he was mortal cos he died.Jehovah always was.The alpha and omega.What i say is IN the bible.What you say is in your grass fields with the manure.Now go feed the cows.LOL!
The CONCEPT of the Trinity is clearly codified in the bible. What else would you call it?
Again, I'll repeat the most elementary verses in the bible to display the equality of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
John 1:1-2 Before anything else existed,there was Christ, with God. He has always been alive and is himself God.
(Christ is co-eternal with God)
John 20:28-29 “My Lord and my God!” Thomas said.
Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. But blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway.”
(Thomas sees the Risen Christ, worships Him as God, Jesus accepts the worship)
John 10:30-31 I and the Father are one.”
Then again the Jewish leaders picked up stones to kill him.
(Jesus identifies with being equal to the Father, the Jewish Leaders understand this and attempt to kill Him for making the statement.)
To say nothing of the Baptism of Jesus, where the Trinity is displayed as separate, distinct persons, despite being equal members of the Godhead.
Mark 1:9-11 Then one day Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee, and was baptized by John there in the Jordan River. The moment Jesus came up out of the water, he saw the heavens open and the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove descending on him, and a voice from heaven said, “You are my beloved Son; you are my Delight.”
So, again, meditate on these verses and ask why you can't accept a concept clearly taught in scripture. Is it because you're following a man made theology? If you go by Sola Scriptura the concept is very clear so even a child could understand.
-
Meditate on this...
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [ other ] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [ other ] things have been created through him and for him.
Col. 1:15, "firstborn of all creation" | CARM.org
carm.org/col-115-firstborn-all-creation
Also even tho Jesus was godlike because of Jehovah...the titles lord and god have been given even to men.
Jesus Died!!!He was mortal.Jehovah has always been and will be forever God almighty.
He who has seen me has also seen the father.NOT literal.Jesus meant in love,justice,power,wisdom.Even i have been likened to my son in many ways.But he ISNT me!!!
Needing the right heart condition is needed in receiving wisdom from the bible.
1st Sam 16:7 7 But Jehovah said to Samuel: “Do not pay attention to his appearance and how tall he is,+ for I have rejected him. For the way man sees is not the way God sees, because mere man sees what appears to the eyes, but Jehovah sees into the heart.”+
-
Is war compatible to Christianity
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20091001/Is-War-Compatible-With-Christianity/
-
The world is passing away and so is its desire but he who does Gods will remains forever.1st John 2:17
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/a-peaceful-new-world-will-it-come/1101991230/
-
The truth being "Born again"
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989216
-
Born Again Christians Continue Declining.....
https://www.christianpost.com/news/born-again-christians-continue-declining-only-minority-believe-they-must-share-the-gospel-survey-208559/
Part of Babylon the Great thats why as well as Christendom
How do you have a relationship with someone if you dont know or cant say their name?
Babylon the Great is responsible for the deaths “of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.” (Revelation 18:24) Throughout history, false religion has not only fomented wars and fueled acts of terrorism but has also failed to teach people the truth about Jehovah, the God of love. (1 John 4:8) This failure has contributed to much bloodshed. For good reason, those who want to please God must “get out of her,” separating themselves from false religion.—Revelation 18:4; 2 Corinthians 6:14-17.
-
This scripture shows Jehovah was alone...NOT with Jesus.God directly created him and then the 2 of them created.
Psalm 90:1, 2
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition)
90 O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place*+ throughout all generations.
2 Before the mountains were born
Or you brought forth* the earth and the productive land,+
From everlasting to everlasting,* you are God.+
It ONLY speaks of HIM!!
-
There are some that want to hear the truth......RE Trinity
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989276
-
Meditate on this...
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [ other ] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [ other ] things have been created through him and for him.
Col. 1:15, "firstborn of all creation" | CARM.org
carm.org/col-115-firstborn-all-creation
Also even tho Jesus was godlike because of Jehovah...the titles lord and god have been given even to men.
Jesus Died!!!He was mortal.Jehovah has always been and will be forever God almighty.
He who has seen me has also seen the father.NOT literal.Jesus meant in love,justice,power,wisdom.Even i have been likened to my son in many ways.But he ISNT me!!!
Needing the right heart condition is needed in receiving wisdom from the bible.
1st Sam 16:7 7 But Jehovah said to Samuel: “Do not pay attention to his appearance and how tall he is,+ for I have rejected him. For the way man sees is not the way God sees, because mere man sees what appears to the eyes, but Jehovah sees into the heart.”+
JWs have tampered with scripture many times. Interjecting an 'other' in Col is one of the more obvious.
Consider:
1 Corinthians 15: 12-20
But tell me this! Since you believe what we preach, that Christ rose from the dead, why are some of you saying that dead people will never come back to life again? 13 For if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ must still be dead. 14 And if he is still dead, then all our preaching is useless and your trust in God is empty, worthless, hopeless; 15 and we apostles are all liars because we have said that God raised Christ from the grave, and of course that isn’t true if the dead do not come back to life again. 16 If they don’t, then Christ is still dead, 17 and you are very foolish to keep on trusting God to save you, and you are still under condemnation for your sins; 18 in that case, all Christians who have died are lost! 19 And if being a Christian is of value to us only now in this life, we are the most miserable of creatures.
20 But the fact is that Christ did actually rise from the dead and has become the first of millions who will come back to life again someday.
You seem to be missing the point that Christ is more than mortal. The whole point of His Death & Resurrection for the Salvation of Mankind proves this. His divinity is not merely a title.
John 10:17-18
“The Father loves me because I lay down my life that I may have it back again. 18 No one can kill me without my consent—I lay down my life voluntarily. For I have the right and power to lay it down when I want to and also the right and power to take it again. For the Father has given me this right.”
Doesn't Christ Resurrection set Him apart from mortals?
-
This scripture shows Jehovah was alone...NOT with Jesus.God directly created him and then the 2 of them created.
Psalm 90:1, 2
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition)
90 O Jehovah, you have been our dwelling place*+ throughout all generations.
2 Before the mountains were born
Or you brought forth* the earth and the productive land,+
From everlasting to everlasting,* you are God.+
It ONLY speaks of HIM!!
How does this prove or disprove anything?
-
Sola Scriptura hitch. Show me something from the bible. Not your cult's prepared talking points.
-
Again, as I mentioned before Jehovah Witnesses began as one of many 'end times' cults. Trying to predict the end of the world. When they failed miserably, they began moving the goalposts, hoping to eventually get it right.
Here's a list of their Cult beliefs.
They believe that Jesus did not rise from the dead. Russell says His body either dissolved into gases or is still preserved somewhere.
They believe that God is not triune (i.e., Father, Son, and Holy Ghost).
They believe that there is no such thing as a hell of everlasting torment. Hell is just the grave. The wicked are simply annihilated.
They believe that man has no spirit.
They believe the Holy Ghost is not a person of the Godhead, just a "life force" of God.
They exercise mind control over members.
They believe that man must work to be part of "God's system of things".
They believe that only the 144,000 mentioned in the book of Revelation will live in heaven with God.
They believe all dead people will have a second chance for eternal life at the millennium. If you do not prove worthiness at this time, you'll be destroyed.
The believe the blood of Christ does not forgive sins, it gives us a "chance" to live again. They have NO assurance of salvation as Jehovah's Witnesses who supposedly know the truth.
They believe Jesus is the archangel Michael - Jesus is a created being.
They believe Jesus is just an agent of God, nothing more.
They believe that Jesus' second coming occurred invisibly in 1874. Founder Charles Taze Russell's successor, Rutherford, says this was confirmed by the creation of the first labor organization in 1874.
They believed Russell when he said that in 1914 the millennium would occur and righteousness would be restored to the earth. As 1914 approached, he, and his successor, changed the date to 1915, 1916, 1924, 1928, and on and on to the present day! When you ask a Jehovah's Witness about this, they'll give you the party line, "Well, the Watchtower is reaching different levels of enlightenment."
So again, how can anyone back up these claims, when they were clearly of the imagination of the JW founder Charles Taze Russell? How can one possibly support this as anything but Man made doctrine? He was proven wrong again and again. How can you support any of this nonsense? You really need to explain- if you can.
-
To avoid typing and bandwidth ill try to answer u JJ even tho i think its a moot point and others r reading.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/changed-bible-beliefs/
RE Jesus death and resrrection
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/
RE hellhttps://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-hell/it
RE man/spirit
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102001150
Resurrection of dead
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102001150
Jesus blood forgives sins
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/draw-close/love/jehovah-god-ready-to-forgive/
Arch angel Michael
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/who-is-michael-the-archangel-jesus/
Who was Jesus
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/who-is-jesus-christ
Russell/1874
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101993006
Russell/1914
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1955205
So now u ask me in my own words to support.Well a good way to start is Jesus said his true followers would have love among themselves.Go to The Memorial on 4/19 to experience that if u arent gonna take my word.
Math 24:14 reads the preaching of Gods kingdom would be worldwide.Its very organized for yrs and in over 240 lands.They do it FREE millions of hrs teaching & preaching.
I went to an assembly in Yankee Stadium in early 70s and as they sang the last song entitled "we Thank you Jehovah"i remember feeling the spirit of God among the thousands in attendance and thought,If Jehovah isnt God then God doesnt exist.
As i mentioned 2 u many times i was brought up a catholic and i didnt agree with their teachings and i wondered why we died and why God has allowed wickedness in this world.Its explained and Satan is a big reason why as well as the sin of man.Time was needed to go by to fulfill Jer 10:23...mans way not belonging to himself being independent of God wont work.History has more then proven that.
I could go on and on.Not sure i have to.
Thanx for listening whoever has.
-
So basically it doesn't matter how poorly Russell was at prognosticating, as long as he gave people who disagree with God delivering justice to sinners by punishment in Hell, a fairy tale that existence ends with death. Every cult- EVERY cult- begins with a leader that perverts scripture wholesale to draw away gullible followers that either don't like or can't understand what the bible says.
Hard to believe you were a Catholic, since JWs have the tallest of tall tales to explain away things in the bible that disagrees with their world view. Jesus clearly demonstrated to His apostles that He was raised bodily and yet we're not supposed to accept that, because Russell believed that Jesus body 'dissolved' like gas in the grave. Is it possible to even read that with a straight face?
Take the explanation that Jesus is the Angel Michael. Solely based on verses saying both Jesus & Michael "commanded angels". How absurd! By that reasoning I'm the manager of the Yankees because I manged little league for 3 years!
So, once again, all these answers break down under the cool light of reason.
I'll propose one more question. Since the term "trinity" isn't in the bible and thus not accepted by the JWs, why should we call believers "Jehovah Witnesses" since that term isn't in the bible? Christians are referred to in the bible, but not JWs! Does that not mean we should be referred to by Christ's Holy name?
-
RE Sin
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-sin/Also a man is acquitted of his sin at death.I guess if u had a bible study u might know that scripture.Penalty of sin death.Dying acquits it.NO hell!!Dust!Jesus said to love your enemies.To burn them forever???Come come!!
Yes i was a catholic and thought God was evil for sending me to hell if i ate a ham sandwich on Friday.
The name Michael means,"who is like God"...need i say anymore re Jesus having that name?
So what are JWs doing worldwide?They are witnessing about God and his kingdom.A Xtian means to follow Jesus.How in earth can you NOT agree with that?Your sect certainly isnt in 240 lands preaching teaching millions of hr of bible study.Nor are any other sect.
1914 was looked upon way before it came.It was a very strong sign Jesus was in kingdom power and Satan and his angels were thrown out of heaven.Total war WWl proved to be in 1914.Jesus said kingdom against kingdom when his apostles asked for a sign.Bible students hit the nail on the head with 1914.They were called that then.Pangs of stress began as Jesus foretold beginning of Gods kingdom in heaven with Satan ousted.World started to get crazier.
Jesus reurrected as spirit again after he was executed.Spirits were able to put on fleshly bodies.He used different ones.EX he used one with holes in it to convince Thomas.Abraham entertained angels that put on fleshly bodies.Before flood wicked angels put on fleshly bodies to have sex with woman creating the Nephillim.Jesus was taken up into the sky after 40 days showing he was a spirit.What the hec ru even talking about?JWs teach this.
-
Mark 9:47-49 “And if your eye is sinful, gouge it out. Better enter the Kingdom of God half blind than have two eyes and see the fires of hell, where the worm never dies, and the fire never goes out— where all are salted with fire.
You don't have an issue with me, but scripture. Jesus spoke of Hell more than Heaven as a warning. Why did he do this if death was oblivion?
So you went from being a catholic to a JW who apparently believe 144, 000 are going to be saved. Are all those seats booked yet? Or can people still get a reservation?
Jesus means Savior (a lot more appropriate than a rhetorical question.) My brother is named Michael, btw. I'll be sure to let him know your opinion of his exalted status due to his name! :D
What difference does it make if the JWs are preaching worldwide if their view of Scripture is corrupt? Heck, the middle east is still dominated by Islam. Does that mean they're right because of their numbers?
Luke 21: 8-11
He replied, “Don’t let anyone mislead you. For many will come announcing themselves as the Messiah, and saying, ‘The time has come.’ But don’t believe them! And when you hear of wars and insurrections beginning, don’t panic. True, wars must come, but the end won’t follow immediately— for nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be great earthquakes, and famines in many lands, and epidemics, and terrifying things happening in the heavens.
So again, the words of Christ Himself debunk the "secret second coming" JWs believe in.
The whole purpose of Jesus showing Himself with the marks of His Crucifixion was to prove He had been raised in the SAME body. Why on earth would He raise Himself from the dead and change bodies like a suit of clothes? It's beyond absurd at best and downright laughable at worst!
Again the term 'Jehovah Witnesses' are not in the bible. By your world view this negates the use of the term. I think you ought to call yourselves something else. Otherwise, are you not being tainted by the same "Babylonian" influences you accuse everyone else of? Consider it. Can't use the term Christmas, Easter....none of them are in the bible. What makes Russell's term more acceptable? Is it just the fact that you must obey whatever is commanded by your cult leader?
-
Like i said a moot point.Youve decided long ago what road ur on.Broad and spacious and leads to destruction.
BTW 144000 arent the only ones saved.Jesus spoke of other sheep.The righteous will inherit the earth.Gods original purpose.
You forget Mary didnt recognize Jesus either.So <duh>he must have used another fleshly body as he did with Thomas cos Thomas wanted proof that he had wounds.
-
Ecclesiastes 9:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Rom 6:7 New International Version
because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
I guess you dont know what acquitted meant.
-
Jesus spoke symbolic at times.Did he really mean a camel can go thru the eye of a needle?Its the same as hell.Its meant as everlasting destruction that backs up Eccl 9:5.
Hey be my guest if u wanna serve a god that wicked.And ud better be on ur good behavior too cos u will burn forever!!LOL!!!
-
Very weak meaning you gave of Jesus.
Jesus Christ
Definition: The only-begotten Son of God, the only Son produced by Jehovah alone. This Son is the firstborn of all creation. By means of him all other things in heaven and on earth were created. He is the second-greatest personage in the universe. It is this Son whom Jehovah sent to the earth to give his life as a ransom for mankind, thus opening the way to eternal life for those of Adam’s offspring who would exercise faith. This same Son, restored to heavenly glory, now rules as King, with authority to destroy all the wicked and to carry out his Father’s original purpose for the earth. The Hebrew form of the name Jesus means “Jehovah Is Salvation”; Christ is the equivalent of the Hebrew Ma·shiʹach (Messiah), meaning “Anointed One.”
-
You speak of other sects by their numbers.
Jesus said you will recognize them by their fruits and the parable with rotten and good trees.Also love among themselves.
As i told u go see for yourself on 4/19 if u could loosen some of that concrete in ur head.....actually i mean ur heart.
-
If u cant see its Jesus battle with Satan and wanna think Michael is separate,,,,yeh im sure Jesus told Michael go kick Satans butt for me.
Far as im concerned if ur bro thinks like u tell him to change his name.
-
When the greatest tribulation comes soon many will become faint out of fear.Loyal ones of God will lift their heads knowing their deliverance is near.
-
Like i said a moot point.Youve decided long ago what road ur on.Broad and spacious and leads to destruction.
BTW 144000 arent the only ones saved.Jesus spoke of other sheep.The righteous will inherit the earth.Gods original purpose.
You forget Mary didnt recognize Jesus either.So <duh>he must have used another fleshly body as he did with Thomas cos Thomas wanted proof that he had wounds.
I'll trust my eternal salvation to the words of Jesus Christ, not Charles Taze Russell & J. F. Rutherford, thank you kindly.
But the 144,000 are the only ones who get to go to heaven in this convoluted mess of a theology.
Mary didn't recognize Him at first for a number normal reasons. She had been facing the tomb when Jesus came behind her. She was crying and couldn't see Him clearly against the sunrise. Once Jesus actually summons her complete attention, He didn't have to explain "No Mary, it's actually me- Jesus!" She turned and focused on Him, recognizing Him instantly. Doesn't that make more sense than a sci-fi tale of His body 'vanishing' only for Him to go back to a wardrobe of 'body suits' that He can put on anytime He wants? Wake up. The JW position on the Resurrection makes no sense.
-
Ecclesiastes 9:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Rom 6:7 New International Version
because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
I guess you dont know what acquitted meant.
The dead don't know what is going on among the living. Solomon was speaking of how Great Men's lives mean nothing on earth after their time has past. They got adulation in life, not necessarily in death. (it could be punishment)
Yep, Paul is right. Can't sin anymore when you're dead. Is this the best you can do?
-
Jesus spoke symbolic at times.Did he really mean a camel can go thru the eye of a needle?Its the same as hell.Its meant as everlasting destruction that backs up Eccl 9:5.
Hey be my guest if u wanna serve a god that wicked.And ud better be on ur good behavior too cos u will burn forever!!LOL!!!
Jesus speaking symbolic is found in things like I posted "If your hand sins, cut it off.." But when He makes a point several dozen times that there will be punishment in Hell, I think that's something worth paying attention to-
Matt:13 47-51
“Again, the Kingdom of Heaven can be illustrated by a fisherman—he casts a net into the water and gathers in fish of every kind, valuable and worthless. When the net is full, he drags it up onto the beach and sits down and sorts out the edible ones into crates and throws the others away. 49 That is the way it will be at the end of the world—the angels will come and separate the wicked people from the godly, 50 casting the wicked into the fire; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 51 Do you understand?”
“Yes,” they said, “we do.”
The good news is- you don't need to be afraid of endless hellfire, hitch. Believe in the God of the bible. Ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and accept Him as your Lord & Savior. It's as simple as that.
-
Very weak meaning you gave of Jesus.
Jesus Christ
Definition: The only-begotten Son of God, the only Son produced by Jehovah alone. This Son is the firstborn of all creation. By means of him all other things in heaven and on earth were created. He is the second-greatest personage in the universe. It is this Son whom Jehovah sent to the earth to give his life as a ransom for mankind, thus opening the way to eternal life for those of Adam’s offspring who would exercise faith. This same Son, restored to heavenly glory, now rules as King, with authority to destroy all the wicked and to carry out his Father’s original purpose for the earth. The Hebrew form of the name Jesus means “Jehovah Is Salvation”; Christ is the equivalent of the Hebrew Ma·shiʹach (Messiah), meaning “Anointed One.”
Again, Sola Scriptura. Your JW interpretations are not worth the paper they are printed on. As I already said, Christ is not a created being. He has been proven to be co- equal & Co- Eternal with the Father. Adding the term 'other' is a typical JW trap, when it's not there in the unaltered scriptures.
-
You speak of other sects by their numbers.
Jesus said you will recognize them by their fruits and the parable with rotten and good trees.Also love among themselves.
As i told u go see for yourself on 4/19 if u could loosen some of that concrete in ur head.....actually i mean ur heart.
You still haven't addressed why the term Jehovah Witness is not in the bible, yet you can accept it's use. Don't worry, I'll wait 10,000 years for you to research all the ever changing theology the Watchtower has recorded.
-
If u cant see its Jesus battle with Satan and wanna think Michael is separate,,,,yeh im sure Jesus told Michael go kick Satans butt for me.
Far as im concerned if ur bro thinks like u tell him to change his name.
Again, you haven't made one lick of sense on this question. Michael is the Archangel of God's army. Jesus is GOD OF ALL. That's like saying "The President sent troops to war today." Well, yeah, he's in charge, but the General is the one leading the troops into battle. Blind Guides!
My middle name is also Michael! :) Naw, I think we'll keep it.
-
When the greatest tribulation comes soon many will become faint out of fear.Loyal ones of God will lift their heads knowing their deliverance is near.
Eternity is only a heartbeat away for all of us.
Luke 11: 35-36
So watch out that the sunshine isn’t blotted out. If you are filled with light within, with no dark corners, then your face will be radiant too, as though a floodlight is beamed upon you.”
-
Since you can't answer my other question, I'll ask another-
If Christians are persecuted for the sake of Jehovah's name, why did Christ tell the first Christians that they would be persecuted for the sake of his (Jesus') name instead of Jehovah's?
Matt 24:9
"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake"
Doesn't this prove Jesus equal with Jehovah and that we are to be called by His Holy Son's name?
-
I have to have band practice.Ill be back midnight EST.
Not really sure why i am wasting my time with u.Maybe theres a part of u ic thats different then the other fool on here.
-
Well, that escalated quickly...lol
You all go ahead and argue religion if it helps you.
I'll just thank God for my bread pans and my blender, and keep feeding people.
-
JJ is smart enuff if he wants a viewpoint or answer from JW.org he can go to the site and just type in the topic.He wants to counter-punch with me.Sorry this is not a boxing match.I dont care if 1 person viewing this got something out of the bible truth it was worth the time.
As i have mentioned i have seen now over 450 views from the bible topic per month and i credit that to JW.org and the NWT bible.I know they arent all favorable but a great deal have shown interest by the views.I am happy to support it.
But that certainly back this scripture up.........Part of Jesus answer to his disciples RE the end of the Satanic system and manmade government.
Concerning that day and hour nobody knows,+ neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.+ 37 For just as the days of Noah were,+ so the presence of the Son of man will be.+ 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,+ 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away,+ so the presence of the Son of man will be.
I cant resist this.I guess Jehovah and Jesus werent 1 here eh?Only Jehovah knew the day...Jesus acknowledged that.Just another flaw in the trinity.
-
I have to have band practice.Ill be back midnight EST.
Not really sure why i am wasting my time with u.Maybe theres a part of u ic thats different then the other fool on here.
Thanks, I guess?
-
Well, that escalated quickly...lol
You all go ahead and argue religion if it helps you.
I'll just thank God for my bread pans and my blender, and keep feeding people.
I do resent your sort of caviler attitude about the situation. Wrong doctrine has ruined many a life. "Arguing religion" doesn't "Help me", but I'm hoping it'll help the poor folks enslaved to a falsehood of man made doctrine. It may be 'tough love', but when I see people being fooled by Satan's lies made manifest through a cult, I can't remain silent for long.
-
JJ is smart enuff if he wants a viewpoint or answer from JW.org he can go to the site and just type in the topic.He wants to counter-punch with me.Sorry this is not a boxing match.I dont care if 1 person viewing this got something out of the bible truth it was worth the time.
As i have mentioned i have seen now over 450 views from the bible topic per month and i credit that to JW.org and the NWT bible.I know they arent all favorable but a great deal have shown interest by the views.I am happy to support it.
But that certainly back this scripture up.........Part of Jesus answer to his disciples RE the end of the Satanic system and manmade government.
Concerning that day and hour nobody knows,+ neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.+ 37 For just as the days of Noah were,+ so the presence of the Son of man will be.+ 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,+ 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away,+ so the presence of the Son of man will be.
I cant resist this.I guess Jehovah and Jesus werent 1 here eh?Only Jehovah knew the day...Jesus acknowledged that.Just another flaw in the trinity.
I am smart enough to know that the JWs don't have any doctrine that matches what's taught in scripture for salvation.
Point is, after seeing the JW falsehoods going unchecked month in and month out, I'll eventually press you to back up what views you're espousing in light of scripture & your cult's erroneous claims throughout history. That's not 'dirty pool' to expect you to back up what you believe through scripture. If you can't, it's time to find more reliable beliefs.
It's somehow chilling to think you are somehow adding 'bible literacy' to this forum, when you've been sold out wholesale to the Watchtower lie. I don't say this to be 'mean', but take a long hard look at the Watchtower's shoddy interpretation of scripture and their inept history and you will discover the true Christ is nowhere to be found there.
You have been unable to answer any of my questions, but to answer yours, Jesus didn't know the day or hour of His return- in the Incarnation. He veiled His deity to an extent during that time. It was also in respect to the Father that He is equal to, but still submissive to.
-
Well, that escalated quickly...lol
You all go ahead and argue religion if it helps you.
I'll just thank God for my bread pans and my blender, and keep feeding people.
I do resent your sort of caviler attitude about the situation. Wrong doctrine has ruined many a life. "Arguing religion" doesn't "Help me", but I'm hoping it'll help the poor folks enslaved to a falsehood of man made doctrine. It may be 'tough love', but when I see people being fooled by Satan's lies made manifest through a cult, I can't remain silent for long.
Wrong doctrine?LOL?U mean like the constitution of the US thats says all men are created equal?And Blacks couldnt use the same restroom as whites.Or we must not let N Viet turn S Viet into communism and have 500000 soldiers killed and many more injured?Or like priests sexually abusing children cos in god we trust?
U cant remain silent?LOL!!U never speak of ur Babylonish sect.You just wanna counter-punch when u can get the answers urself from JW.org........it would be no fun that way for you.
For whatever reasons u distain Jehovah God u cant STOP whats gonna happen.Just remember that.And if u wanna find out the hard way who Jehovah is i guess Pharoah must be related to u.
Was his middle name also Michael?Tee hee
Typo on distain...disdain i meant
-
Well, that escalated quickly...lol
You all go ahead and argue religion if it helps you.
I'll just thank God for my bread pans and my blender, and keep feeding people.
I do resent your sort of caviler attitude about the situation. Wrong doctrine has ruined many a life. "Arguing religion" doesn't "Help me", but I'm hoping it'll help the poor folks enslaved to a falsehood of man made doctrine. It may be 'tough love', but when I see people being fooled by Satan's lies made manifest through a cult, I can't remain silent for long.
JJ, you can resent all you like. Arguing religion is a game that nobody wins. Except maybe that Satan fella that both you and Hitch seem so preoccupied with.
There is a better way.
-
Well, that escalated quickly...lol
You all go ahead and argue religion if it helps you.
I'll just thank God for my bread pans and my blender, and keep feeding people.
I do resent your sort of caviler attitude about the situation. Wrong doctrine has ruined many a life. "Arguing religion" doesn't "Help me", but I'm hoping it'll help the poor folks enslaved to a falsehood of man made doctrine. It may be 'tough love', but when I see people being fooled by Satan's lies made manifest through a cult, I can't remain silent for long.
JJ, you can resent all you like. Arguing religion is a game that nobody wins. Except maybe that Satan fella that both you and Hitch seem so preoccupied with.
There is a better way.
Paints if ur children got accused of lies wouldnt u go to bat for them?
Jesus took it a step furthur...he gave his life.Shouldnt we appreciate that and appreicate God letting A&E have offspring or there is NOOOOOOOOOOOOO human race.
Jesus had righteous anger.When they turned his fathers temple into a flea market go read what he did.After God gave plenty of warnings to his people on false worship many lost their lives when the disobeyed.
U bring up Satan.2 atomic bombs wiping out 2 cities after in 1914 he is ousted from heaven with his angels.As u said when u started this topic.....coinsidence?
Thats only 2 examples.What about all the other *rap going on in this world.RU aware whats going on in Russia with JWs?This was prophesized in Book of Daniel.Just like Jesus gave a warning to get out of Jerusalem before in 70ce it was destroyed.Those that listend were saved.
-
JJ is smart enuff if he wants a viewpoint or answer from JW.org he can go to the site and just type in the topic.He wants to counter-punch with me.Sorry this is not a boxing match.I dont care if 1 person viewing this got something out of the bible truth it was worth the time.
As i have mentioned i have seen now over 450 views from the bible topic per month and i credit that to JW.org and the NWT bible.I know they arent all favorable but a great deal have shown interest by the views.I am happy to support it.
But that certainly back this scripture up.........Part of Jesus answer to his disciples RE the end of the Satanic system and manmade government.
Concerning that day and hour nobody knows,+ neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.+ 37 For just as the days of Noah were,+ so the presence of the Son of man will be.+ 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,+ 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away,+ so the presence of the Son of man will be.
I cant resist this.I guess Jehovah and Jesus werent 1 here eh?Only Jehovah knew the day...Jesus acknowledged that.Just another flaw in the trinity.
I am smart enough to know that the JWs don't have any doctrine that matches what's taught in scripture for salvation.
Point is, after seeing the JW falsehoods going unchecked month in and month out, I'll eventually press you to back up what views you're espousing in light of scripture & your cult's erroneous claims throughout history. That's not 'dirty pool' to expect you to back up what you believe through scripture. If you can't, it's time to find more reliable beliefs.
It's somehow chilling to think you are somehow adding 'bible literacy' to this forum, when you've been sold out wholesale to the Watchtower lie. I don't say this to be 'mean', but take a long hard look at the Watchtower's shoddy interpretation of scripture and their inept history and you will discover the true Christ is nowhere to be found there.
You have been unable to answer any of my questions, but to answer yours, Jesus didn't know the day or hour of His return- in the Incarnation. He veiled His deity to an extent during that time. It was also in respect to the Father that He is equal to, but still submissive to.
I have gone above and beyond answering your questions that u urself could have used JW.org if U really wanted to know the answers.
I told u u just enjoy counter-punching.Its no fun for u to look up answers by urself without spouting your reason or reasons why u disgaree.
I am sensitive and i support Gods organization on earth.But also biblically trained that the vast majority of this world has no use for the truth.And u have shown to be a part of that.Jesus said a slave is not greater then his master.Pick up ur torture stake too if u follow me and u will find ur soul.
-
JJ is smart enuff if he wants a viewpoint or answer from JW.org he can go to the site and just type in the topic.He wants to counter-punch with me.Sorry this is not a boxing match.I dont care if 1 person viewing this got something out of the bible truth it was worth the time.
As i have mentioned i have seen now over 450 views from the bible topic per month and i credit that to JW.org and the NWT bible.I know they arent all favorable but a great deal have shown interest by the views.I am happy to support it.
But that certainly back this scripture up.........Part of Jesus answer to his disciples RE the end of the Satanic system and manmade government.
Concerning that day and hour nobody knows,+ neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.+ 37 For just as the days of Noah were,+ so the presence of the Son of man will be.+ 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,+ 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away,+ so the presence of the Son of man will be.
I cant resist this.I guess Jehovah and Jesus werent 1 here eh?Only Jehovah knew the day...Jesus acknowledged that.Just another flaw in the trinity.
I am smart enough to know that the JWs don't have any doctrine that matches what's taught in scripture for salvation.
Point is, after seeing the JW falsehoods going unchecked month in and month out, I'll eventually press you to back up what views you're espousing in light of scripture & your cult's erroneous claims throughout history. That's not 'dirty pool' to expect you to back up what you believe through scripture. If you can't, it's time to find more reliable beliefs.
It's somehow chilling to think you are somehow adding 'bible literacy' to this forum, when you've been sold out wholesale to the Watchtower lie. I don't say this to be 'mean', but take a long hard look at the Watchtower's shoddy interpretation of scripture and their inept history and you will discover the true Christ is nowhere to be found there.
You have been unable to answer any of my questions, but to answer yours, Jesus didn't know the day or hour of His return- in the Incarnation. He veiled His deity to an extent during that time. It was also in respect to the Father that He is equal to, but still submissive to.
I have gone above and beyond answering your questions that u urself could have used JW.org if U really wanted to know the answers.
I told u u just enjoy counter-punching.Its no fun for u to look up answers by urself without spouting your reason or reasons why u disgaree.
I am sensitive and i support Gods organization on earth.But also biblically trained that the vast majority of this world has no use for the truth.And u have shown to be a part of that.Jesus said a slave is not greater then his master.Pick up ur torture stake too if u follow me and u will find ur soul.
And I have pointed out to you time and again how the Watchtower is full of crap. You could as easily find out for yourself if you had deigned to branch out from the security of your JW echo chamber.
Talking about resentment, you've really got a nerve trying to make me out to be the 'bad guy' here. That's all you do is talk down to anyone not in your cult, spout out verse after verse and Watchtower talking points- and the minute someone tries to soberly and intelligently challenge you on your corrupt theology, you run home to mama crying 'he's trying to counter-punch me!'
Well, in order to counter punch, someone had to throw the first punch.
I can back up what I believe without a man made organisation holding my hand and filling my head. It's been proved time and again, you can not do the same.
-
Well, that escalated quickly...lol
You all go ahead and argue religion if it helps you.
I'll just thank God for my bread pans and my blender, and keep feeding people.
I do resent your sort of caviler attitude about the situation. Wrong doctrine has ruined many a life. "Arguing religion" doesn't "Help me", but I'm hoping it'll help the poor folks enslaved to a falsehood of man made doctrine. It may be 'tough love', but when I see people being fooled by Satan's lies made manifest through a cult, I can't remain silent for long.
JJ, you can resent all you like. Arguing religion is a game that nobody wins. Except maybe that Satan fella that both you and Hitch seem so preoccupied with.
There is a better way.
If you let a lie go by unchallenged for long enough, it eventually becomes somebody's truth.
-
You were the one that came in here and started with accusing JWs manmade teachings.Your very own words,you interjected.And of course i was mentioned.
Fine,u wanna believe that....im gonna defend God and his organization.
Examine your own BS.....and some good advice...be careful how u tread on Gods name....u might be putting upanother one of those "im sick again"topics.
-
You were the one that came in here and started with accusing JWs manmade teachings.
Fine,u wanna believe that....im gonna defend God and his organization.
Examine your own BS.....and some good advice...be careful how u tread on Gods name....u might be putting upanother one of those "im sick again"topics.
JWs DO have man made teachings, which is something you are unable to refute.
God does not have an "Organisation". He has the Body of Christ. Do you even read the bible?
I'll give you a little advice. Try to type like an adult. Unless u r Prince,(who's dead) u should not B using letters 4 your words. Enuff is enuff.
-
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
-
Well, that escalated quickly...lol
You all go ahead and argue religion if it helps you.
I'll just thank God for my bread pans and my blender, and keep feeding people.
I do resent your sort of caviler attitude about the situation. Wrong doctrine has ruined many a life. "Arguing religion" doesn't "Help me", but I'm hoping it'll help the poor folks enslaved to a falsehood of man made doctrine. It may be 'tough love', but when I see people being fooled by Satan's lies made manifest through a cult, I can't remain silent for long.
JJ, you can resent all you like. Arguing religion is a game that nobody wins. Except maybe that Satan fella that both you and Hitch seem so preoccupied with.
There is a better way.
If you let a lie go by unchallenged for long enough, it eventually becomes somebody's truth.
Do you honestly believe that God needs you to stick up for him?
All religions are man-made, even yours.
Patriarchy. Doctrine of Discovery. Witches.
“All wickedness is but little to the wickedness of a woman… What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an unescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil nature, painted with fair colours… When a woman thinks alone, she thinks evil… Women are by nature instruments of Satan — they are by nature carnal, a structural defect rooted in the original creation.” – Malleus Maleficarum
Does that come from the mind of God, or is it obviously from the reprobate mind of man?
And yet, as obviously flawed as it is, it was accepted as a right doctrine.
None of us has the whole truth.
-
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
You're giving grammatical advice is only slightly more funny than Charles Taze Russell thinking he had a clue about interpreting the bible.
BTW, neither the spellcheck nor online dictionary seems to have a problem with my spelling.
noun: organisation
1.
an organized body of people with a particular purpose, especially a business, society, association, etc.
"a research organization"
synonyms: company, firm, concern, operation, corporation, institution, group, establishment, consortium, conglomerate, combine, syndicate, body, agency, federation, confederation, alliance, coalition, association, movement, society, league, club, network, confederacy; More
Care to tell us why the term Jehovah Witness is NOT in the bible yet?
-
Well, that escalated quickly...lol
You all go ahead and argue religion if it helps you.
I'll just thank God for my bread pans and my blender, and keep feeding people.
I do resent your sort of caviler attitude about the situation. Wrong doctrine has ruined many a life. "Arguing religion" doesn't "Help me", but I'm hoping it'll help the poor folks enslaved to a falsehood of man made doctrine. It may be 'tough love', but when I see people being fooled by Satan's lies made manifest through a cult, I can't remain silent for long.
JJ, you can resent all you like. Arguing religion is a game that nobody wins. Except maybe that Satan fella that both you and Hitch seem so preoccupied with.
There is a better way.
If you let a lie go by unchallenged for long enough, it eventually becomes somebody's truth.
Do you honestly believe that God needs you to stick up for him?
All religions are man-made, even yours.
Patriarchy. Doctrine of Discovery. Witches.
“All wickedness is but little to the wickedness of a woman… What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an unescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil nature, painted with fair colours… When a woman thinks alone, she thinks evil… Women are by nature instruments of Satan — they are by nature carnal, a structural defect rooted in the original creation.” – Malleus Maleficarum
Does that come from the mind of God, or is it obviously from the reprobate mind of man?
And yet, as obviously flawed as it is, it was accepted as a right doctrine.
None of us has the whole truth.
Well, I guess it's a good thing you weren't one of the Apostles, if you think so little of defending God's Word.
Look, I get it. You're the philosophical type. One of those "how can we know that we know?'" types. The bible is reputable, passing every test. It's God's Word. It's the whole Truth.
Now, where I differ with hitch, is he's clearly gotten some tall tales from the Watchtower, but anyone with common sense can read the bible for all it's worth and see the internal consistency his cult lacks.
I appreciate the fact that you don't want to dicker with hitch, but it would help if you want to converse with me, by delineating just what your rather esoteric beliefs are and why you hold them.
-
Buy JJ a GI Joe doll instead Paints!!
Satan has JJ hooked so well even the worms are proclaiming & celebrating their independence.
-
Buy JJ a GI Joe doll instead Paints!!
Satan has JJ hooked so well even the worms are proclaiming & celebrating their independence.
Quiet, Prince. The grown ups are talking.
-
Buy JJ a GI Joe doll instead Paints!!
Satan has JJ hooked so well even the worms are proclaiming & celebrating their independence.
Quiet, Prince. The grown ups are talking.
Might not be a bad idea to be Prince <in your eyes>....he might be in heaven by your beliefs.Then again he might be in *ell <again by your beliefs>cos i think he was a JW......
I wouldnt mind having his $$$$$ tho.
-
Well, that escalated quickly...lol
You all go ahead and argue religion if it helps you.
I'll just thank God for my bread pans and my blender, and keep feeding people.
I do resent your sort of caviler attitude about the situation. Wrong doctrine has ruined many a life. "Arguing religion" doesn't "Help me", but I'm hoping it'll help the poor folks enslaved to a falsehood of man made doctrine. It may be 'tough love', but when I see people being fooled by Satan's lies made manifest through a cult, I can't remain silent for long.
JJ, you can resent all you like. Arguing religion is a game that nobody wins. Except maybe that Satan fella that both you and Hitch seem so preoccupied with.
There is a better way.
If you let a lie go by unchallenged for long enough, it eventually becomes somebody's truth.
Do you honestly believe that God needs you to stick up for him?
All religions are man-made, even yours.
Patriarchy. Doctrine of Discovery. Witches.
“All wickedness is but little to the wickedness of a woman… What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an unescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil nature, painted with fair colours… When a woman thinks alone, she thinks evil… Women are by nature instruments of Satan — they are by nature carnal, a structural defect rooted in the original creation.” – Malleus Maleficarum
Does that come from the mind of God, or is it obviously from the reprobate mind of man?
And yet, as obviously flawed as it is, it was accepted as a right doctrine.
None of us has the whole truth.
-
While a "spirited" debate between Hitch and Johnnie can always make for interesting reading, I'm going to return to the OP. Even with something as mundane as bread pans, yes I believe God answers prayers. There is no such thing as a coincidence with God. I have a blog devoted to that idea called No Coincidences with God.
If you are at all interested in a read - google "No Coincidences with God" and "Lucas-web" -- and you can find it somewhere in the top results.
-
While a "spirited" debate between Hitch and Johnnie can always make for interesting reading, I'm going to return to the OP. Even with something as mundane as bread pans, yes I believe God answers prayers. There is no such thing as a coincidence with God. I have a blog devoted to that idea called No Coincidences with God.
If you are at all interested in a read - google "No Coincidences with God" and "Lucas-web" -- and you can find it somewhere in the top results.
Hello UGP...yes the bible says God answers prayers that are said in accordance to his will.It also says that the wicked that say prayers ,their prayer is detestable to him.
Time and unforseen occurrence befall us all.I guess that scripture could also mean a coinsidence may happen.
There is a saying many say 'everything happens for a reason".So are we to think God planned A&E to sin?Then why did he bother to warn them of consequence and they would die"Yes God <Jehovah>can foretell the future if he decides to.But he can also decide NOT to know it either.We have freedom of choice to decide it for ourselves.Yes whatever God purposes will happen.His name means "he causes to become".
His original purpose when creating man was for him to live forever under his rule.We know a monkey wrentch was throw into it by Satan and A&E.But immediately he told the serpent that seeed would bruise him in the head <death dealing blow>while he only bruised the seed <Jesus>in the heal.
In the case of the bread pan i am not sure Paints recognizes Jehovah as TRUE God.Now there may be many out there that out of ignorance wanna serve God and NOT know his name.I think in her case that isnt the case as in Jedi.He claims JWs tamper with bible.Well then i guess they tamper with KJV cos Psalms 83:18 clearly tells us who God is and that is one of the more distinguished bibles.
I dont try to convince the many here i know dont support JWs .I hope newbies and others will see the evidence presented by JW.org.
2 doctrines cant be right.Either trinity exists or not.Either hell exists or not.Either man has an immortal soul or not.JW.org presents using the bible the truth.Your heart discerns whether it is or not.
I think again in the case of the bread pan it was unforseen occurrence that some view as coinsidence,
-
Well, that escalated quickly...lol
You all go ahead and argue religion if it helps you.
I'll just thank God for my bread pans and my blender, and keep feeding people.
I do resent your sort of caviler attitude about the situation. Wrong doctrine has ruined many a life. "Arguing religion" doesn't "Help me", but I'm hoping it'll help the poor folks enslaved to a falsehood of man made doctrine. It may be 'tough love', but when I see people being fooled by Satan's lies made manifest through a cult, I can't remain silent for long.
JJ, you can resent all you like. Arguing religion is a game that nobody wins. Except maybe that Satan fella that both you and Hitch seem so preoccupied with.
There is a better way.
If you let a lie go by unchallenged for long enough, it eventually becomes somebody's truth.
Do you honestly believe that God needs you to stick up for him?
All religions are man-made, even yours.
Patriarchy. Doctrine of Discovery. Witches.
“All wickedness is but little to the wickedness of a woman… What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an unescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil nature, painted with fair colours… When a woman thinks alone, she thinks evil… Women are by nature instruments of Satan — they are by nature carnal, a structural defect rooted in the original creation.” – Malleus Maleficarum
Does that come from the mind of God, or is it obviously from the reprobate mind of man?
And yet, as obviously flawed as it is, it was accepted as a right doctrine.
None of us has the whole truth.
Well, I guess it's a good thing you weren't one of the Apostles, if you think so little of defending God's Word.
Look, I get it. You're the philosophical type. One of those "how can we know that we know?'" types. The bible is reputable, passing every test. It's God's Word. It's the whole Truth.
Now, where I differ with hitch, is he's clearly gotten some tall tales from the Watchtower, but anyone with common sense can read the bible for all it's worth and see the internal consistency his cult lacks.
I appreciate the fact that you don't want to dicker with hitch, but it would help if you want to converse with me, by delineating just what your rather esoteric beliefs are and why you hold them.
The apostles didn't defend the Word. They knew him intimately, and told what they knew.
The bible is a book, written by men. The Word of God is a living being.
John 1 says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
With the Word, God created everything. Do you think he was holding a bible?
What I believe is simple. I believe that God is, and that he is accessible to any who seek him. I believe that he is knowable, with or without the book.
God cannot be contained in, nor constrained by, religion.
-
While a "spirited" debate between Hitch and Johnnie can always make for interesting reading, I'm going to return to the OP. Even with something as mundane as bread pans, yes I believe God answers prayers. There is no such thing as a coincidence with God. I have a blog devoted to that idea called No Coincidences with God.
If you are at all interested in a read - google "No Coincidences with God" and "Lucas-web" -- and you can find it somewhere in the top results.
The way I see it, if God can't be trusted for the small things, (like bread pans :) ) why would anyone trust him with the big things?
Jesus didn't come to start a new religion. He came to show us how to live.
-
I agree with JediJonne that the Lord works in mysterious ways.
-
While a "spirited" debate between Hitch and Johnnie can always make for interesting reading, I'm going to return to the OP. Even with something as mundane as bread pans, yes I believe God answers prayers. There is no such thing as a coincidence with God. I have a blog devoted to that idea called No Coincidences with God.
If you are at all interested in a read - google "No Coincidences with God" and "Lucas-web" -- and you can find it somewhere in the top results.
The way I see it, if God can't be trusted for the small things, (like bread pans :) ) why would anyone trust him with the big things?
Jesus didn't come to start a new religion. He came to show us how to live.
“For This I Have Come Into the World”
Note Jesus’ remarkable teaching ability as he courageously bears witness to the truth.
Based on Matthew 21:23-46; 22:15-46.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/dramatic-bible-readings/jesus-came-into-the-world/
They called Jesus "teacher"and "rabbi" fcr a reason.He always referred to his fathers teachings and scriptures being fufilled and lessons.
The bible is GODS word NOT mans!!All scripture inspired by God means just that.You think you are going to have over 40 writers of it and the book be in order just as the universe is.What does that mean?DIVINITY!!!
-
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
You're giving grammatical advice is only slightly more funny than Charles Taze Russell thinking he had a clue about interpreting the bible.
BTW, neither the spellcheck nor online dictionary seems to have a problem with my spelling.
noun: organisation
1.
an organized body of people with a particular purpose, especially a business, society, association, etc.
"a research organization"
synonyms: company, firm, concern, operation, corporation, institution, group, establishment, consortium, conglomerate, combine, syndicate, body, agency, federation, confederation, alliance, coalition, association, movement, society, league, club, network, confederacy; More
Care to tell us why the term Jehovah Witness is NOT in the bible yet?
Both spellings are correct.
And to answer your last question - If it was not in the Bible when it was first written it can't be added. Well maybe to the modern day versions where everything is all changed but those are not the Inspired Word of God.
-
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
You're giving grammatical advice is only slightly more funny than Charles Taze Russell thinking he had a clue about interpreting the bible.
BTW, neither the spellcheck nor online dictionary seems to have a problem with my spelling.
noun: organisation
1.
an organized body of people with a particular purpose, especially a business, society, association, etc.
"a research organization"
synonyms: company, firm, concern, operation, corporation, institution, group, establishment, consortium, conglomerate, combine, syndicate, body, agency, federation, confederation, alliance, coalition, association, movement, society, league, club, network, confederacy; More
Care to tell us why the term Jehovah Witness is NOT in the bible yet?
Both spellings are correct.
And to answer your last question - If it was not in the Bible when it was first written it can't be added. Well maybe to the modern day versions where everything is all changed but those are not the Inspired Word of God.
I knew with all the chat between Paints,JJ and myself this topic was too juicy for you and eventually you would put your 2 cents in.
RE the grammatical stuff when others bring that up in a forum to try and get an edge it only shows a weakness on their part.I know when i copy and paste something from JW.org it is SPOT on.And even that doesnt soothe the foolish one.I will also admit i am lazy not obliging to the kings english and whats more important to me is conveying my message and i think i do it well.
As far as JWs and their name.......https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/name-jehovahs-witnesses/
I see Gods name is in KJV Psalms 83:18 and those that seem to worry about the organizations name in the bible dont even acknowledge that.
JWs use Gods name and witness to HIM being GOD!!And i think if you read Math 24:14 you will see worldwide they witness worldwide about it.And the KJV bible has been around much longer then and before Gods people adopted their name.
JJ and Controversial snowflake would be more wise to realize what Jesus told Pilate RE this world and his kingdom was NO part of it instead of supporting Trump.And THAT was ALWAYS in the bible and NOT added.
-
Ask and ye shall receive, he provides for all our needs, answers all prayers. Be Blessed.
-
While a "spirited" debate between Hitch and Johnnie can always make for interesting reading...
I guess it's good entertainment value, if nothing else!
-
Well, that escalated quickly...lol
You all go ahead and argue religion if it helps you.
I'll just thank God for my bread pans and my blender, and keep feeding people.
I do resent your sort of caviler attitude about the situation. Wrong doctrine has ruined many a life. "Arguing religion" doesn't "Help me", but I'm hoping it'll help the poor folks enslaved to a falsehood of man made doctrine. It may be 'tough love', but when I see people being fooled by Satan's lies made manifest through a cult, I can't remain silent for long.
JJ, you can resent all you like. Arguing religion is a game that nobody wins. Except maybe that Satan fella that both you and Hitch seem so preoccupied with.
There is a better way.
If you let a lie go by unchallenged for long enough, it eventually becomes somebody's truth.
Do you honestly believe that God needs you to stick up for him?
All religions are man-made, even yours.
Patriarchy. Doctrine of Discovery. Witches.
“All wickedness is but little to the wickedness of a woman… What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an unescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil nature, painted with fair colours… When a woman thinks alone, she thinks evil… Women are by nature instruments of Satan — they are by nature carnal, a structural defect rooted in the original creation.” – Malleus Maleficarum
Does that come from the mind of God, or is it obviously from the reprobate mind of man?
And yet, as obviously flawed as it is, it was accepted as a right doctrine.
None of us has the whole truth.
Well, I guess it's a good thing you weren't one of the Apostles, if you think so little of defending God's Word.
Look, I get it. You're the philosophical type. One of those "how can we know that we know?'" types. The bible is reputable, passing every test. It's God's Word. It's the whole Truth.
Now, where I differ with hitch, is he's clearly gotten some tall tales from the Watchtower, but anyone with common sense can read the bible for all it's worth and see the internal consistency his cult lacks.
I appreciate the fact that you don't want to dicker with hitch, but it would help if you want to converse with me, by delineating just what your rather esoteric beliefs are and why you hold them.
The apostles didn't defend the Word. They knew him intimately, and told what they knew.
The bible is a book, written by men. The Word of God is a living being.
John 1 says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
With the Word, God created everything. Do you think he was holding a bible?
What I believe is simple. I believe that God is, and that he is accessible to any who seek him. I believe that he is knowable, with or without the book.
God cannot be contained in, nor constrained by, religion.
I understand where you're coming from, but I think you've missed the point when you say the bible was written 'by men'. While this is true, in the strictest sense, it was written by God. For nothing is written by them which was not first inspired by the Holy Spirit.
There is no 'enlightenment' so to speak- without the bible. And while I don't presume to know who is or isn't being saved, the Word of God- The Gospel- The Bible- however you want to call it, is essential to building our faith. Without the bible, faith would be blind. And the Christian faith is not blind.
But again, I'm non denominational. I don't put any faith in any particular organisation, since I know all too well- and hitch is a prime example- how they can be man-made and work against God's Will by teaching their own brand of heresy.
-
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
You're giving grammatical advice is only slightly more funny than Charles Taze Russell thinking he had a clue about interpreting the bible.
BTW, neither the spellcheck nor online dictionary seems to have a problem with my spelling.
noun: organisation
1.
an organized body of people with a particular purpose, especially a business, society, association, etc.
"a research organization"
synonyms: company, firm, concern, operation, corporation, institution, group, establishment, consortium, conglomerate, combine, syndicate, body, agency, federation, confederation, alliance, coalition, association, movement, society, league, club, network, confederacy; More
Care to tell us why the term Jehovah Witness is NOT in the bible yet?
Both spellings are correct.
And to answer your last question - If it was not in the Bible when it was first written it can't be added. Well maybe to the modern day versions where everything is all changed but those are not the Inspired Word of God.
You mean, hitch doesn't have a leg to stand on-both as a proselytizer AND as a grammar teacher? :D
-
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
You're giving grammatical advice is only slightly more funny than Charles Taze Russell thinking he had a clue about interpreting the bible.
BTW, neither the spellcheck nor online dictionary seems to have a problem with my spelling.
noun: organisation
1.
an organized body of people with a particular purpose, especially a business, society, association, etc.
"a research organization"
synonyms: company, firm, concern, operation, corporation, institution, group, establishment, consortium, conglomerate, combine, syndicate, body, agency, federation, confederation, alliance, coalition, association, movement, society, league, club, network, confederacy; More
Care to tell us why the term Jehovah Witness is NOT in the bible yet?
Both spellings are correct.
And to answer your last question - If it was not in the Bible when it was first written it can't be added. Well maybe to the modern day versions where everything is all changed but those are not the Inspired Word of God.
I knew with all the chat between Paints,JJ and myself this topic was too juicy for you and eventually you would put your 2 cents in.
RE the grammatical stuff when others bring that up in a forum to try and get an edge it only shows a weakness on their part.I know when i copy and paste something from JW.org it is SPOT on.And even that doesnt soothe the foolish one.I will also admit i am lazy not obliging to the kings english and whats more important to me is conveying my message and i think i do it well.
As far as JWs and their name.......https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/name-jehovahs-witnesses/
I see Gods name is in KJV Psalms 83:18 and those that seem to worry about the organizations name in the bible dont even acknowledge that.
JWs use Gods name and witness to HIM being GOD!!And i think if you read Math 24:14 you will see worldwide they witness worldwide about it.And the KJV bible has been around much longer then and before Gods people adopted their name.
JJ and Controversial snowflake would be more wise to realize what Jesus told Pilate RE this world and his kingdom was NO part of it instead of supporting Trump.And THAT was ALWAYS in the bible and NOT added.
Being a Christian does not require being apolitical. In fact, quite the contrary. Christians were trying to get away from King James (that you seem to hold as an authority of some sort) for his abuse of believers, thus setting up (what would become) the USA.
The fact the world is in the shape it's in, is probably due in no small part to the apathy of believers.
Where does it refer to JW in Matt 24:14?
Again. the term Christian was used in the bible looooong before the concept of JW was even a twinkle in Russell's eye. Why should we abandon one from the bible for some johnny- come- lately from the 19th century who presumed to know better?
-
I agree with JediJonne that the Lord works in mysterious ways.
Well if that were the case why did Jesus say there would be blessings for those that take in knowledge of him?Kinda hard to understand someone wanting to be a mystery.
Plus his thoughts and ways are higher then ours.
That's basically what I mean by His working in mysterious ways....they're mysterious to us, because our capacity for understanding is so far beneath Him. This is exactly the point He made to Job.
-
Are you purposely misunderstanding my point? God was telling Job His ways are beyond Job's understanding.
-
Are you purposely misunderstanding my point? God was telling Job His ways are beyond Job's understanding.
No mystery here.
STORE
BibleGateway
Search
Job 14:14-15
A A A A A
Bible Book List
× The best value in digital Bible study. Access to over $1,100 in biblical resources for just $3.99 a month. Find out more.
Job 14:14-15
Job 14:14-15 New International Version (NIV)
14 If someone dies, will they live again?
All the days of my hard service
I will wait for my renewal[a] to come.
15 You will call and I will answer you;
you will long for the creature your hands have made.
mys·ter·y1
/ˈmist(ə)rē/
noun
1.
something that is difficult or impossible to understand or explain
Hardly
I agree Gods ways are higher and parts of the bible are symbolic to be understood at a later time.Mysterious isnt the correct meaning.He wants his will to be known.Of course we all question him.Jesus said ask and you will receive understanding.That depends on us and our relationship with him.
Someone that wants to be mysterious usually wants to remain that way.Not the case here.God even let humans question his way of doing things humbly.Abraham is a good case right before God destroyed Sodom.
Satan set it up to actually make it look like God was causing his calamity.Job made God look even better with his integrity.
Just as Satan has made God look wicked by teaching christendom the hell theory.A lie that doesnt sit well with God.
I was watching a documentary on WWII the other nite that said Tokyo was next city to be Adam bombed and Japs came to their senses and surrendered.If US had same mentality of those that support God created hell maybe the US should have not listened.After all the motto is "in god we trust"
Typo on Adam..should be Atom
Alright, hitch. Just admit it's you and I'll just forget about correcting this nonsense.
-
Are you purposely misunderstanding my point? God was telling Job His ways are beyond Job's understanding.
No mystery here.
STORE
BibleGateway
Search
Job 14:14-15
A A A A A
Bible Book List
× The best value in digital Bible study. Access to over $1,100 in biblical resources for just $3.99 a month. Find out more.
Job 14:14-15
Job 14:14-15 New International Version (NIV)
14 If someone dies, will they live again?
All the days of my hard service
I will wait for my renewal[a] to come.
15 You will call and I will answer you;
you will long for the creature your hands have made.
mys·ter·y1
/ˈmist(ə)rē/
noun
1.
something that is difficult or impossible to understand or explain
Hardly
I agree Gods ways are higher and parts of the bible are symbolic to be understood at a later time.Mysterious isnt the correct meaning.He wants his will to be known.Of course we all question him.Jesus said ask and you will receive understanding.That depends on us and our relationship with him.
Someone that wants to be mysterious usually wants to remain that way.Not the case here.God even let humans question his way of doing things humbly.Abraham is a good case right before God destroyed Sodom.
Satan set it up to actually make it look like God was causing his calamity.Job made God look even better with his integrity.
Just as Satan has made God look wicked by teaching christendom the hell theory.A lie that doesnt sit well with God.
I was watching a documentary on WWII the other nite that said Tokyo was next city to be Adam bombed and Japs came to their senses and surrendered.If US had same mentality of those that support God created hell maybe the US should have not listened.After all the motto is "in god we trust"
Typo on Adam..should be Atom
Alright, hitch. Just admit it's you and I'll just forget about correcting this nonsense.
Nah......SOME of us can have a good laugh seeing you correcting.I was already 1 step ahead of you with my typo.May the force FINALLY knock some logic in your head.
It's not like you were all that clever. I figured it was you from the jump.
I'm pretty sure having two FC accounts are against the TOS, so....I'm guessing you won't be around for long now that I've reported you.
Any last words before the ban hammer falls?
-
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
Very true,God doesnt have an organisation...LOL!!!Maybe u meant pencle...LOL
He has an organiZation!!!!
Remove the straw from your eye before U try to remove it from others.
BTW....im glad im NOT Prince either!
You're giving grammatical advice is only slightly more funny than Charles Taze Russell thinking he had a clue about interpreting the bible.
BTW, neither the spellcheck nor online dictionary seems to have a problem with my spelling.
noun: organisation
1.
an organized body of people with a particular purpose, especially a business, society, association, etc.
"a research organization"
synonyms: company, firm, concern, operation, corporation, institution, group, establishment, consortium, conglomerate, combine, syndicate, body, agency, federation, confederation, alliance, coalition, association, movement, society, league, club, network, confederacy; More
Care to tell us why the term Jehovah Witness is NOT in the bible yet?
Both spellings are correct.
And to answer your last question - If it was not in the Bible when it was first written it can't be added. Well maybe to the modern day versions where everything is all changed but those are not the Inspired Word of God.
I knew with all the chat between Paints,JJ and myself this topic was too juicy for you and eventually you would put your 2 cents in.
RE the grammatical stuff when others bring that up in a forum to try and get an edge it only shows a weakness on their part.I know when i copy and paste something from JW.org it is SPOT on.And even that doesnt soothe the foolish one.I will also admit i am lazy not obliging to the kings english and whats more important to me is conveying my message and i think i do it well.
As far as JWs and their name.......https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/name-jehovahs-witnesses/
I see Gods name is in KJV Psalms 83:18 and those that seem to worry about the organizations name in the bible dont even acknowledge that.
JWs use Gods name and witness to HIM being GOD!!And i think if you read Math 24:14 you will see worldwide they witness worldwide about it.And the KJV bible has been around much longer then and before Gods people adopted their name.
JJ and Controversial snowflake would be more wise to realize what Jesus told Pilate RE this world and his kingdom was NO part of it instead of supporting Trump.And THAT was ALWAYS in the bible and NOT added.
Being a Christian does not require being apolitical. In fact, quite the contrary. Christians were trying to get away from King James (that you seem to hold as an authority of some sort) for his abuse of believers, thus setting up (what would become) the USA.
The fact the world is in the shape it's in, is probably due in no small part to the apathy of believers.
Where does it refer to JW in Matt 24:14?
Again. the term Christian was used in the bible looooong before the concept of JW was even a twinkle in Russell's eye. Why should we abandon one from the bible for some johnny- come- lately from the 19th century who presumed to know better?
Maybe because God determines when HIS word or prophesies are fulfilled or understood by HIS people.The year 1914 was known as the year of Gods kingdom in heaven when Satan and his angels thrown out of heaven and the woe for the earth.Thats when world war began for the generation Jesus spoke of would begin to fulfill what Jesus told his apostles....the start of the Last days.
-
Satan was cast out of Heaven long before 1914.
Luke 10:17-18 When the seventy disciples returned, they joyfully reported to him, “Even the demons obey us when we use your name.”
“Yes,” he told them, “I saw Satan falling from heaven as a flash of lightning!
-
Satan was cast out of Heaven long before 1914.
Luke 10:17-18 When the seventy disciples returned, they joyfully reported to him, “Even the demons obey us when we use your name.”
“Yes,” he told them, “I saw Satan falling from heaven as a flash of lightning!
Rev 12:12 New International Version
Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."
John wrote book of Rev around 98 CE.....u speak of Satan thrown out 60 yrs prior.Doesnt add up and WOE to the earth taking on a different type of war.....World War in 1914.Plus the last hundred plus yrs add up to the generation Jesus spoke of for the last days.And the fulfillment of Math 24:14.
-
Satan was cast out of Heaven long before 1914.
Luke 10:17-18 When the seventy disciples returned, they joyfully reported to him, “Even the demons obey us when we use your name.”
“Yes,” he told them, “I saw Satan falling from heaven as a flash of lightning!
Rev 12:12 New International Version
Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."
John wrote book of Rev around 98 CE.....u speak of Satan thrown out 60 yrs prior.Doesnt add up and WOE to the earth taking on a different type of war.....World War in 1914.Plus the last hundred plus yrs add up to the generation Jesus spoke of for the last days.And the fulfillment of Math 24:14.
War broke out in heaven NOT while Jesus was on earth and as i know you dont agree,Michael <Jesus>was succesful throwing Satan and his demons out and confining them to the earth.
New International Version
Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."
Luke 10:18
I see Satan already fallen like lightning from heaven: Jesus is evidently speaking prophetically, seeing the ouster of Satan from heaven as if it had already occurred. Re 12:7-9 describes the battle in heaven and associates Satan’s fall with the birth of the Messianic Kingdom. Jesus was here highlighting the certain defeat of Satan and his demons in that future battle, for God had just empowered those 70 disciples, mere imperfect humans, to expel demons.—Lu 10:17.
-
Ironically, you're right that Satan was cast out before Jesus made that pronouncement. Jesus was speaking of Satan no longer being able to accuse.
However the point still stands that Satan was cast out loooong before 1914. You are blindly following a false prophet in Charles Taze Russel.
-
Jesus is not the arch angel Michael for the 1,000th time.
In the book of Jude, Michael asks the Lord's authority to rebuke Satan:
But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
While in the book of Matthew, Jesus Himself rebuked Satan:
Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him
Jesus is greater than angels. He is equal with God and the Watchtower is in serious error.
-
Ironically, you're right that Satan was cast out before Jesus made that pronouncement. Jesus was speaking of Satan no longer being able to accuse.
However the point still stands that Satan was cast out loooong before 1914. You are blindly following a false prophet in Charles Taze Russel.
So lets see,you say the devil was cast out of heaven over 2000 yrs ago.
Jesus saying this generation will not pass away till all these things occur plus the devilknowing he has a short period of time doesnt seem to line up with your theory.
To all others reading this,go to JW.org and put in 1914 to be convinced .I am not discussing this with JJ to convince him.Hes an apostate and an enemy.But counter-punching him helps others to gain insight.
-
Ironically, you're right that Satan was cast out before Jesus made that pronouncement. Jesus was speaking of Satan no longer being able to accuse.
However the point still stands that Satan was cast out loooong before 1914. You are blindly following a false prophet in Charles Taze Russel.
So lets see,you say the devil was cast out of heaven over 2000 yrs ago.
Jesus saying this generation will not pass away till all these things occur plus the devilknowing he has a short period of time doesnt seem to line up with your theory.
To all others reading this,go to JW.org and put in 1914 to be convinced .I am not discussing this with JJ to convince him.Hes an apostate and an enemy.But counter-punching him helps others to gain insight.
Again, the scripture cannot be any clearer. Jesus says 'This generation'.
Jesus said 'This Generation'
Jesus said 'THIS GENERATION'
Not 1914's generation, the generation of the Apostles.
Jesus was prophesying that the Apostles would live to see the Kingdom preached on the earth amid great tribulations.
Now granted, the prophesy means that the End Times began, but they began when Jesus made the prophesy , not nearly 2000 years later, when Russel tried to dupe people as an end times prognosticator.
-
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/#?insight[search_id]=4f051b0c-192e-4dc8-8513-c0f90e6173a4&insight[search_
Not many will get anything out of this.Especially to day,9/11 where Satan is using nationalism to blind many.
Hopefully 1 does.
-
People mourning over the biggest loss of life on American soil, and he says 'Satan is using nationalism to blind many.' ::) What a piece of work.
-
People mourning over the biggest loss of life on American soil, and he says 'Satan is using nationalism to blind many.' ::) What a piece of work.
Nothing wrong with mourning,but if u think nationalism ISNT a tool of the devils...ho hum!!
Maybe they''ll be an american flag for you to worship in heaven.LOL!....or hell <snicker>Hopefully its made from asbestos.Then u can sue for...oh wait youll be dead....or wait...u say death is life....Now im confused...LOL!
We only support what bible says to do at right time.....we will all be judged when it really counts....
“Be in Subjection”—to Whom?
“Continue reminding them to be in subjection and be obedient to governments and authorities as rulers, to be ready for every good work.”—Titus 3:1.
Banned me repeatedly?Ive only been here a short while.
I wish we had a penny for every scripture that u refuted that made u wish u were an atheist.....or ru really that ignorant?
-
People mourning over the biggest loss of life on American soil, and he says 'Satan is using nationalism to blind many.' ::) What a piece of work.
Nothing wrong with mourning,but if u think nationalism ISNT a tool of the devils...ho hum!!
Maybe they''ll be an american flag for you to worship in heaven.LOL!....or hell <snicker>Hopefully its made from asbestos.Then u can sue for...oh wait youll be dead....or wait...u say death is life....Now im confused...LOL!
Funny how you're appealing to an 'American Court' for your right to post on a forum that banned you repeatedly. Isn't that appealing to the Devil by your own deranged admission?
-
People mourning over the biggest loss of life on American soil, and he says 'Satan is using nationalism to blind many.' ::) What a piece of work.
Nothing wrong with mourning,but if u think nationalism ISNT a tool of the devils...ho hum!!
Maybe they''ll be an american flag for you to worship in heaven.LOL!....or hell <snicker>Hopefully its made from asbestos.Then u can sue for...oh wait youll be dead....or wait...u say death is life....Now im confused...LOL!
We only support what bible says to do at right time.....we will all be judged when it really counts....
“Be in Subjection”—to Whom?
“Continue reminding them to be in subjection and be obedient to governments and authorities as rulers, to be ready for every good work.”—Titus 3:1.
Banned me repeatedly?Ive only been here a short while.
I wish we had a penny for every scripture that u refuted that made u wish u were an atheist.....or ru really that ignorant?
Listen, I enjoy debating people on their beliefs. I love witnessing. You pose zero challenge to me whatsoever. Every scripture verse you've twisted and distorted, I've been able to explain with cold rational accuracy.
If you really want to do your faith proud, instead of dropping Watchtower tracts all over the forum, do a little homework and come up with some stronger arguments.
But, then Charles Taze Russel had to admit in court under oath that he couldn't read Greek, so the Apple as they say, doesn't fall far from the tree....
-
For example, try to reconcile this verse with the Watchtower's belief that Jesus returned 'invisibly' in 1874,
Luke 17:23-24
People will tell you, ‘Look, there is the Son of Man,’ or ‘Here he is,’ but don’t go out and follow them. For as the lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other, so it will be on the day when the Son of Man comes.
Jesus clearly warned us that people would be doing EXACTLY what the Watchtower is doing. So He tells us 'Don't believe them. When I return, it'll be so apparent, it'll be as if lightening lit up the whole sky.'
-
People mourning over the biggest loss of life on American soil, and he says 'Satan is using nationalism to blind many.' ::) What a piece of work.
Nothing wrong with mourning,but if u think nationalism ISNT a tool of the devils...ho hum!!
Maybe they''ll be an american flag for you to worship in heaven.LOL!....or hell <snicker>Hopefully its made from asbestos.Then u can sue for...oh wait youll be dead....or wait...u say death is life....Now im confused...LOL!
We only support what bible says to do at right time.....we will all be judged when it really counts....
“Be in Subjection”—to Whom?
“Continue reminding them to be in subjection and be obedient to governments and authorities as rulers, to be ready for every good work.”—Titus 3:1.
Banned me repeatedly?Ive only been here a short while.
I wish we had a penny for every scripture that u refuted that made u wish u were an atheist.....or ru really that ignorant?
Listen, I enjoy debating people on their beliefs. I love witnessing. You pose zero challenge to me whatsoever. Every scripture verse you've twisted and distorted, I've been able to explain with cold rational accuracy.
If you really want to do your faith proud, instead of dropping Watchtower tracts all over the forum, do a little homework and come up with some stronger arguments.
But, then Charles Taze Russel had to admit in court under oath that he couldn't read Greek, so the Apple as they say, doesn't fall far from the tree....
You said it precisely.You enjoy debating.This isnt about US!!!Its about the love Jehovah and Jesus gave to the doomed human race and how Satan has taken the name of God and smeared it.Eventually the name of Jehovah will be vindicated as the TRUE God and only life in this world and universe if we obey his laws and accept him as GOD.
Go read again Rev 4:11
Dont get caught up in another of hitches supporters either.Instead heed what you just read.
-
People mourning over the biggest loss of life on American soil, and he says 'Satan is using nationalism to blind many.' ::) What a piece of work.
Nothing wrong with mourning,but if u think nationalism ISNT a tool of the devils...ho hum!!
Maybe they''ll be an american flag for you to worship in heaven.LOL!....or hell <snicker>Hopefully its made from asbestos.Then u can sue for...oh wait youll be dead....or wait...u say death is life....Now im confused...LOL!
We only support what bible says to do at right time.....we will all be judged when it really counts....
“Be in Subjection”—to Whom?
“Continue reminding them to be in subjection and be obedient to governments and authorities as rulers, to be ready for every good work.”—Titus 3:1.
Banned me repeatedly?Ive only been here a short while.
I wish we had a penny for every scripture that u refuted that made u wish u were an atheist.....or ru really that ignorant?
Listen, I enjoy debating people on their beliefs. I love witnessing. You pose zero challenge to me whatsoever. Every scripture verse you've twisted and distorted, I've been able to explain with cold rational accuracy.
If you really want to do your faith proud, instead of dropping Watchtower tracts all over the forum, do a little homework and come up with some stronger arguments.
But, then Charles Taze Russel had to admit in court under oath that he couldn't read Greek, so the Apple as they say, doesn't fall far from the tree....
You said it precisely.You enjoy debating.This isnt about US!!!Its about the love Jehovah and Jesus gave to the doomed human race and how Satan has taken the name of God and smeared it.Eventually the name of Jehovah will be vindicated as the TRUE God and only life in this world and universe if we obey his laws and accept him as GOD.
Go read again Rev 4:11
You're right, hitch. It's not about us. It's about counteracting poisonous doctrine that leads people astray, jeopardising their eternal existence with Christ.
Now read Luke 17:23-24 instead of changing the subject and tell me why I should believe the Watchtower over the words of Jesus Christ Himself.
And it better be a darn compelling argument for me to change my mind, I'll tell you that!
-
You still have to make sure you threaten me or JW.org.
But being this post was one of your kinder ways i will put the link up for u to read.My gut says you will refute it and ill make a deal with you.....either way dont let me know.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/jesus/ministry-east-of-the-jordan/son-of-man-revealed/
-
You still have to make sure you threaten me or JW.org.
But being this post was one of your kinder ways i will put the link up for u to read.My gut says you will refute it and ill make a deal with you.....either way dont let me know.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/jesus/ministry-east-of-the-jordan/son-of-man-revealed/
This tract does literally nothing to challenge the direct interpretation from Scripture, only to do some 'minor' misdirection by saying 'Well, Jesus was telling His Disciples to 'pay attention' to God's Will.'
Well, duh.
Where's the support for this 'Invisible' return? Jesus says quite clearly you'll know when He comes back. Here's another verse ,
Acts 1:9-11
After saying this, he was taken up into a cloud while they were watching, and they could no longer see him. As they strained to see him rising into heaven, two white-robed men suddenly stood among them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why are you standing here staring into heaven? Jesus has been taken from you into heaven, but someday he will return from heaven in the same way you saw him go!”
Jesus will not be returning in secret. He will return in the same way He left, for all to see.
But, I understand why you don't want me to let you know. The Watchtower instructs all their followers to have blind obedience to them and to refuse any kind of material from non JWs, for fear they might get loose from their JW brainwashing.
Christians like myself, on the other hand, have no fear of looking at the opposing material in order to decide if it's wheat or chaff.
-
You still have to make sure you threaten me or JW.org.
But being this post was one of your kinder ways i will put the link up for u to read.My gut says you will refute it and ill make a deal with you.....either way dont let me know.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/jesus/ministry-east-of-the-jordan/son-of-man-revealed/
This tract does literally nothing to challenge the direct interpretation from Scripture, only to do some 'minor' misdirection by saying 'Well, Jesus was telling His Disciples to 'pay attention' to God's Will.'
Well, duh.
Where's the support for this 'Invisible' return? Jesus says quite clearly you'll know when He comes back. Here's another verse ,
Acts 1:9-11
After saying this, he was taken up into a cloud while they were watching, and they could no longer see him. As they strained to see him rising into heaven, two white-robed men suddenly stood among them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why are you standing here staring into heaven? Jesus has been taken from you into heaven, but someday he will return from heaven in the same way you saw him go!”
Jesus will not be returning in secret. He will return in the same way He left, for all to see.
But, I understand why you don't want me to let you know. The Watchtower instructs all their followers to have blind obedience to them and to refuse any kind of material from non JWs, for fear they might get loose from their JW brainwashing.
Christians like myself, on the other hand, have no fear of looking at the opposing material in order to decide if it's wheat or chaff.
I wouldnt be telling you something you already didnt know RE 1914 and all the events.And im sure u may have even gone to JW.org and read about it.What more could i add to it?
RU aware of whats going on in Russia with JWs?
-
There are no coincidences I believe. Answered prayer. I do believe in prayer even though I don't always get what I want.
-
How does 1 pray to a nameless god,NOT care what his will is and only pay mind to him when they are in need?And think they will be heard?
Sfreeman might lose his house and Paints gets bread pans.Pretty weird god id say.
::)
-
It looks like you have an Angel watching over you....
-
Maybe a little of both, God does answer prayers, you ask for something and he will place it in your path and it's for you, then its a prayer answered, that's when you say "Thank You, Jesus". :) :)
-
Maybe a little of both, God does answer prayers, you ask for something and he will place it in your path and it's for you, then its a prayer answered, that's when you say "Thank You, Jesus". :) :)
That's exactly what I did... :) And I'm still thankful for the bread pans and the blender. And still baking bread.
-
2 Corinthians 4:4 New Living Translation (NLT)
4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
This scripture only gets stronger from this topic.