What if???

[sigmapi1501]

Ok, here is a hypothetical situation but:

What if something horrible happened to you? Like you were assaulted or raped.  And to get over the traumatic experience you turned to Christianity and the bible? THEN, you found out that the bible condones the act of rape?  Would you feel betrayed?  Would you question how you could ever blindly follow something that condones possibly the most horrific thing one human could do to another?

[amyrouse]

Something horrible has happened to me.  The bible didn't "get me through it".  The support of people who love me gets me through it...on a daily basis.  Healing doesn't happen over night...it is a continuing process.  I still deal with the bad stuff on a daily basis...its called post traumatic stress disorder.  I believe those who claim to be completely healed are only hiding from themselves.

The bible is a book written and translated by men...fallible men.  The Tanakh is open to interpretation, though, since it is written in the old Hebrew without vowels.  Anyone who can find faith in their religion...more power to them.  My religion, though, had nothing to do with the "bad stuff".  

In all honesty, though, I find there is much hypocrisy in the King James translation of the bible.  If I had been a Christian and had relied on my faith to "get me through it", I would have felt betrayed.

[shernajwine]

Bible doesn't condone rape.

[TimeforGod]

Bible doesn't condone rape.

Agreed the Bible does not condone rape!

[missijl]

But yes I wonder why God being God and all allows bad things to happen from people being killed to people born with a mental illness, From rape to people insulting one another.

God doesn't kill people. God gave man free will to do as he pleases, which caused man to create war, famine, rape, insults, etc.. As for the "bad things"... how could you appreciate happiness if you'd never felt heartache? The "bad things" are what build our strongest characteristics. You mentioned mental illness, specifically. Mentally ill people have taught me the most about life. The way they see the world is so different from what "normal" people would call reality.    

[FuzzyCottonsocks]

In this hypothetical situation, I would feel betrayed and would become an ex-Christian rather quickly.

[sigmapi1501]

Bible doesn't condone rape.

It sure does. In fact it seems to think it's a good idea to rape a virgin.  Also, suggest the rape victim marry her raper.

[missijl]

Bible doesn't condone rape.

It sure does. In fact it seems to think it's a good idea to rape a virgin.  Also, suggest the rape victim marry her raper.

Can you educate us as to what passages those two ideas came from, please?

[FuzzyCottonsocks]

Bible doesn't condone rape.

It sure does. In fact it seems to think it's a good idea to rape a virgin.  Also, suggest the rape victim marry her raper.

Can you educate us as to what passages those two ideas came from, please?

If you want, check out evilbible.com. All the passages about rape are listed there.

[jordandog]

This is just one of many, but ya gotta love it:

Laws of Rape   (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

That is a loving gift from your God, eh?

[missijl]

"Raped" didn't mean then what it does today. "Raped" in the olden days meant one of the following:
1) to lie down
2) to lodge
3) to lie (of sexual relations)
4) to lie down (in death)
5) to rest, relax (fig)
(Niphal) to be lain with (sexually)
(Pual) to be lain with (sexually)
(Hiphil) to make to lie down
(Hophal) to be laid

[sigmapi1501]

So are you saying that maybe language is different now than when the bible is written? And that MAYBE people should not continue to follow it literally?

[jordandog]

So are you saying that maybe language is different now than when the bible is written? And that MAYBE people should not continue to follow it literally?

Ahhh, interesting question.

As far as the rape scripture I put up: Who cares if it's the OT, the NT, or the Sweet Tea - it is still a part of the Bible. Or has that changed also?

[missijl]

I don't know. Do you still buy food by trading animals for it, or has that changed also?

[jordandog]

So are you saying that maybe language is different now than when the bible is written? And that MAYBE people should not continue to follow it literally?

Ahhh, interesting question.

As far as the rape scripture I put up: Who cares if it's the OT, the NT, or the Sweet Tea - it is still a part of the Bible. Or has that changed also?

Yes...when Jesus came the laws and rules basically changed.

No, because Jesus used the words when he was still in his earthly form. Luke states that before Jesus ascended to heaven he spoke to him (Luke), then Jesus later appeared to all his disciples and said, "These are my words which I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written in the law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms about me must be fulfilled." He's saying the OT is still a working part of what should be followed/taught/adhered to right there.

If Jesus had wanted that record of his ministry and the writings of his disciples to replace the Hebrew Scriptures ie the Old Testament, then he would have indicated it. Find me anywhere that he does. The way I read/interpret it, the OT still stands.

I said I was not ignorant of the Bible, but this is very strange to be pointing out what is in it to someone else who should know these things, especially when I am being 'banished to hell' by them. Go figure.