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Annella

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Angelhome:  This is another who's previous posts you need to read, to understand what you are dealing with.

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so my eternal punishment or reward is determined by what i believe rather than my actions? so an athiest who saves every child from poverty goes to hell, to be tormented forever, while the child molester who "repented to christ" gets eternal paradise? seriously??? ???   ??? ... what about the native americans - they were good people and they wanted to share this land but instead they were cheated and killed off. did they go to hell?
REALLY?!
~Chase....

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God send no one to hell; we send ourselves when we reject his love gift for our sins, Jesus Christ. God made hell for the devil and his angels, not for man. So, we have free choice. Jesus said "no man comes to the Father (receive eternal life) unless thay come by me (Jesus)" St John 14:6.

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I wonder why people think good works should get them into heaven when they probably wouldn't want their bad works to keep them out. You talk about obviously bad behavior like murdering and raping but God is a completely HOLY and RIGHTEOUS God. Our righteousness compared to Him is likened to filthy rags! IF you don't believe in God and are placing your bet that He doesn't exist then you better understand the nature of Him in case you are wrong.

Thinking a sin is as bad as doing it. A man looking at a woman with lust is just as if he threw her down and had his way with her right then and there. Unforgiveness is a sin, in fact the bible says if you stand before God asking for forgiveness while you yourself hold unforgiveness in your heart...God can't forgive you!  If you are going to be honest with yourself, your good acts are not going to outweigh what God considers sin. I don't care if you feed a billion hungry children, God said if you have unforgiveness PERIOD in your heart, he can't forgive you. The OT was lived out and passed down to us to show the need for a Savior and to show that no matter how hard we try we cannot be good enough. When you compare the holiness of God to our good works they are nothing.

Being basically good is not good enough. However, when you embrace the passionate act of Christ which paid the debt for our sin that we alone can never pay. You're good works are accounted to you as righteousness and the sin you cannot avoid is covered by his blood.

And personally, I think that living my life thinking "Have I done enough good today? Will it be good enough for God that I helped that old lady with her groceries even though earlier I cursed out the cashier? Does it even count since I sinned earlier? How much good is good enough? Will God notice that put an extra $5 in the offering even though yesterday I gossiped about so and so??"

And furthermore if you don't believe in God it's because you rejected him. And YES I am a mother but if my child said she hated me, and wanted nothing to do with me, how would I as a loving parent force her kicking and screaming to stay under my roof against her will. People who reject God make a choice and it doesn't matter what excuse they have, because as I said in another thread "An atheist who can't find God is like a thief who can't find a policeman."

That thief can say all they want that they looked long and hard, they can say they DID see a policeman but are convinced he was a hallucination... but the truth is, they don't want to find a policeman because they don't want to pay the consequence for their actions.

Bottom line: Stop asking a hypothetical question about saving the entire world from cancer. Be realistic with your own life. Get out the bible, write down everything God considers a sin. A sin is a sin there is no big or small sin according to God (whether you agree with that or not, if you are going to consider his existence and ask questions about hell, then you are dealing with the God of the bible and that's what the bible says). Now take a day to write down every sin you committed, and everything you consider good...and a good act no matter how good is equal to another good act. Tally it up. I guarantee it won't be good enough.

Oh and don't forget to forgive everyone who has done you wrong cuz no amount of good on your list will matter otherwise.  :wave:


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I think so because all of our righteousness are like filthy rags according to the Bible.  Its faith that will get us in not our good works.  If my daughter cleaned the house, washed my clothes, cleaned my car, took care of the little siblings but yet did not believe in me or obey me, all that good is really worth nothing.  Whats the purpose of the good without recognizing the one who made it possible for you to do what you do.  Its almost common sense.

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Our righteousness compared to Him is likened to filthy rags! IF you don't believe in God and are placing your bet that He doesn't exist then you better understand the nature of Him in case you are wrong.

Oh man....I could totally jump on this but--

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Thinking a sin is as bad as doing it. A man looking at a woman with lust is just as if he threw her down and had his way with her right then and there.

...yeah...that's really screwy guilt trippin' right therrr. Might as well tell a man to never urinate because someway somehow it's bad and every bad thing is of equal value on the "evil-scale".

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God send no one to hell; we send ourselves when we reject his love gift for our sins, Jesus Christ. God made hell for the devil and his angels, not for man. So, we have free choice. Jesus said "no man comes to the Father (receive eternal life) unless thay come by me (Jesus)" St John 14:6.

Healthfreedom- read my post to Angel above. I'd like to hear your reasonings on it.
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Thinking a sin is as bad as doing it. A man looking at a woman with lust is just as if he threw her down and had his way with her right then and there. Unforgiveness is a sin,
Wow.....I've always said that I have turned down way more then I have ever had......guess I've had way more then I thought :o/

BTW, I haven't had the chance to say Hi to you since I've been back Mrs. Sherna, I hope you are doing well.

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Wow.....I've always said that I have turned down way more then I have ever had......guess I've had way more then I thought

Brilliant. I lol'd.

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Wow.....I've always said that I have turned down way more then I have ever had......guess I've had way more then I thought :o/

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That's a good one. LMAO. And think about all the men and women who've had sex with 1 person while thinking about someone else... is that equivalent to a threesome?? LOL

@ Falconer - thank you for bringing up good points. I like the way you point out the beliefs that everything is so cut and dry, black and white  JUST because the Bible says so....

To me - that's not just faith, that's Blind faith.

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Wow.....I've always said that I have turned down way more then I have ever had......guess I've had way more then I thought

Brilliant. I lol'd.

Dittos, I love it! A slap on the hand for you, Walks, ya lust filled man. 8)
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I wonder why people think good works should get them into heaven when they probably wouldn't want their bad works to keep them out. You talk about obviously bad behavior like murdering and raping but God is a completely HOLY and RIGHTEOUS God. Our righteousness compared to Him is likened to filthy rags! IF you don't believe in God and are placing your bet that He doesn't exist then you better understand the nature of Him in case you are wrong.

Thinking a sin is as bad as doing it. A man looking at a woman with lust is just as if he threw her down and had his way with her right then and there. Unforgiveness is a sin, in fact the bible says if you stand before God asking for forgiveness while you yourself hold unforgiveness in your heart...God can't forgive you!  If you are going to be honest with yourself, your good acts are not going to outweigh what God considers sin. I don't care if you feed a billion hungry children, God said if you have unforgiveness PERIOD in your heart, he can't forgive you. The OT was lived out and passed down to us to show the need for a Savior and to show that no matter how hard we try we cannot be good enough. When you compare the holiness of God to our good works they are nothing.

Being basically good is not good enough. However, when you embrace the passionate act of Christ which paid the debt for our sin that we alone can never pay. You're good works are accounted to you as righteousness and the sin you cannot avoid is covered by his blood.

And personally, I think that living my life thinking "Have I done enough good today? Will it be good enough for God that I helped that old lady with her groceries even though earlier I cursed out the cashier? Does it even count since I sinned earlier? How much good is good enough? Will God notice that put an extra $5 in the offering even though yesterday I gossiped about so and so??"

And furthermore if you don't believe in God it's because you rejected him. And YES I am a mother but if my child said she hated me, and wanted nothing to do with me, how would I as a loving parent force her kicking and screaming to stay under my roof against her will. People who reject God make a choice and it doesn't matter what excuse they have, because as I said in another thread "An atheist who can't find God is like a thief who can't find a policeman."

That thief can say all they want that they looked long and hard, they can say they DID see a policeman but are convinced he was a hallucination... but the truth is, they don't want to find a policeman because they don't want to pay the consequence for their actions.

Bottom line: Stop asking a hypothetical question about saving the entire world from cancer. Be realistic with your own life. Get out the bible, write down everything God considers a sin. A sin is a sin there is no big or small sin according to God (whether you agree with that or not, if you are going to consider his existence and ask questions about hell, then you are dealing with the God of the bible and that's what the bible says). Now take a day to write down every sin you committed, and everything you consider good...and a good act no matter how good is equal to another good act. Tally it up. I guarantee it won't be good enough.

Oh and don't forget to forgive everyone who has done you wrong cuz no amount of good on your list will matter otherwise.  :wave:
:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: What a wonderful discertation. I AGREE 100 % !!! THANK YOU !! :heart: :heart:

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Thinking a sin is as bad as doing it. A man looking at a woman with lust is just as if he threw her down and had his way with her right then and there. Unforgiveness is a sin,
Wow.....I've always said that I have turned down way more then I have ever had......guess I've had way more then I thought :o/

BTW, I haven't had the chance to say Hi to you since I've been back Mrs. Sherna, I hope you are doing well.

LOL, you crack me up! And, yes I'm doing great! Hope you're good yourself  ;D

@Falconer & jordandog

The whole point is (502mania/Chase) was coming at an argument from the Christian perspective of hell. And the nature of a God that would send people there. My response is based on the assumption of hell and what the bible has to say about good works. If a person thinks good works is enough to get to heaven, and they are questioning a Christian audience about that subject, then they are going to get Christian answers and that's what I gave him. According to Christians you can't be good enough SO that answered his question.

And Yes, thinking about another person while having sex with your partner would be sin. And I've done it so I have sinned. And I don't expect that just because I volunteer for charities, or donate money to the humane society, or go to church, or any other thing I consider good, is going to make up for all my sin. And that's my point, I need Jesus in order to be good enough for God because I can't be good enough on my own.

You can argue with that and disagree, but I gave an honest and sincere response to a troubling question about hell. Do with it what you will  :)


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Thank you Sheryl, that means a lot to me  :heart:


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You can argue with that and disagree, but I gave an honest and sincere response to a troubling question about hell. Do with it what you will

Sherene, my finding humor in what Walks said had absolutely nothing to do with what you wrote and was not meant as a put down re your words/thoughts. Honestly, I just found what he wrote funny and I am also familiar with where you were coming from as far as lust and sin. I didn't want there to be any thinking on your part that I was putting down what you stated about yourself. :) It's nice to see you, your calmness and honesty about your own life, back in the forums. 
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

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Wow.....I've always said that I have turned down way more then I have ever had......guess I've had way more then I thought

Brilliant. I lol'd.

Dittos, I love it! A slap on the hand for you, Walks, ya lust filled man. 8)
***in my best Matt LeBlanc impression*** 

How you doin'?? ;o)

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