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Topic: Am I Trying to Free God from Human Understanding or Trying to Kick God Out?  (Read 1764 times)

mythociate

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Of course, I think I'm trying to 'keep humans from locking God in a cage.' People (including the writer of the Epistles) think that God must exist; I think instead that He can choose to exist or not to exist as it suits Him.

But am I kicking God out of the cage? The way I see it, humanity is locked in a 'cage' (laws of Newtonian Physics-etc.) & God is free to take-on those laws or to break them or to travel totally outside their influence; but is this 'cage' His paradise? Is it a "burden" to live without such self-governing laws as gravity, friction, attraction etc.?

Might I be asking God a similar question as the one Satan asked Eve: Is it true that You can do NOTHING against the words of this book?

The truth is, God CAN defy the Bible (just like any one of us CAN defy the local law & go & steal something or mangle property or covet our neighbors' wives etc.), but God CHOOSES not to (just like we CHOOSE not to break the law ... though the reason WE so-choose is usually 'to evade punishment')
------------------------------------------------------------------------------That's what a Pharisee might say today. You now have the chance to respond as my mentor Jesus-of-Joseph would, and I pray that you will!

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Well if you believe this god ascends above reality as we know it, this god probably already knows all of our choices, so choice is an illusion that we believe to be free. And if we have such limited understanding, it's ludicrous to think that such primitive things as the bible are inspired by such a being. Do you honestly believe such an inter-dimensional being would bother with such trivial things as "Don't eat meat on this specific day" or go on a genocidal rage because a group of lesser beings weren't being decent to each other? Why would this being lock his lesser-creations in a cage that works against them constantly (for instance 99.9999999% of our universe would kill us within seconds)?

To act like one has all the answers w/o actual evidence is ridiculous and delusional behavior. But you're speculating and you're questioning things. That's a good thing! It sounds like you're slowly taking the path of becoming an agnostic-theist rather than a pure theist/bible fundamentalist.

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Myth these 2 scriptures may help you

Rev 4:11

1st John 4:8

Many tend to forget the Creator has feelings.It says many times in the bible how his heart was hurt at seeing disobedience from man.They dont look at HIM like a REAL person even tho of course HIS ways are so above us yet man is made in HIS image.

Try to imagine how it must have hurt Jehovah to see HIS son Jesus being treated like a criminal and put to death in a very agonizing way.The act of love that was shown by God and his son to prove the devil a liar was truly an act of love to vindicate Jehovah as the true God and ransom mankind from death.The whole universe was looking on.This will NEVER have to be duplicated again that Jehovah is the rightful sovereign of the universw and IS God!!And that Satan was the first of all liars.

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Nether, we r trapped in this golden cage with god as our jailer....never realizing that we humans hold the key to our freedom. When we look into the mirror of freedom the face we can only see is GOD!

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Tantricia that is so far from the truth you would need a zillion EZ Passes to get back on the right road...

The Creator allowed man and Satan to build their independent governement against HIM....you go look at at 6000 years of heartache and then say man sees God in a mirror and God has jailed mankind?

Well in a way you are correct....Satan is referred to in the bible as the god of this system.Remember god is just a title!!

The rightful sovereign of the universe is NOT responsible for all the crap that goes on here...yes he has allowed it with good reason to prove rebellion against HIM doesnt work and in HIS due time will correct it and it will never again have to happen again if called into question!!

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The rightful sovereign of the universe is NOT responsible for all the crap that goes on here...yes he has allowed it with good reason to prove rebellion against HIM doesnt work and in HIS due time will correct it and it will never again have to happen again if called into question!!

Your oxymoron statement is quite obvious. And even then, the logic your god uses is pretentious, prideful, childish, and uncaring. I really hope you are not a parent if you think such behavior is acceptable.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2014, 02:20:45 am by Falconer02 »

hitch0403

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You are a perfect example of an un-grateful,selfish person of why you are alive....but it shows just how GREAT Jehovah is,to be able to create a person and have that person choose whether to love and obey HIM or not on their own.

You exercise NOT to as many have sided with Satans claim.

But there are many that appreciate Rev 4:11 and the gift of life tHAT DOES COME WITH CONDITIONS!!

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You are a perfect example of an un-grateful,selfish person of why you are alive.

If you're going to attempt to insult me, please proof read your sentences. This makes no sense. Also, you call me selfish and yet you're the one who attempts to hijack threads and turn them into bible discussions. This post could be about toys made in the 1990's and I'm sure you'd quote the old testament or something.

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but it shows just how GREAT Jehovah is,to be able to create a person and have that person choose whether to love and obey HIM or not on their own.

"I can't argue with him because I lack the skill, so I'll just tell him that god did everything!". Childish, really.

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You exercise NOT to as many have sided with Satans claim.

Again, proof read before you hit submit.

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But there are many that appreciate Rev 4:11 and the gift of life tHAT DOES COME WITH CONDITIONS!!

An omniscient entity requires conditions to get a gift? Lame.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2014, 02:48:52 pm by Falconer02 »

hitch0403

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I am not insulting you.You dig yourself deeper in the frustration of trying to convince yourself of Gods existence and laws.

Listen why dont you just make it easier on yourself and say,I dont agree with Gods laws,arrangments etc.He gave you freedom of choice.I dont have a problem if you dont agree with bible etc.You are the one doing the insulting calling me and Gods organization stupid which only shows what a frustrated person you are.

There is no need to keep reminding me and everybody here how you feel towards this.

When i use a bible post to back up a topic i mean well.We all know whether you agree with it or not ...YOU ARENT GOING TO!!Are you that bored or frustrated that you have to keep reminding us all how you feel?

Go play with your science books and statistics!!

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 :) "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he not said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall not make it good?" Numbers 23:19  :)

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I am not insulting you.You dig yourself deeper in the frustration of trying to convince yourself of Gods existence and laws.

I'm fairly certain your god is fictional. But you are incapable of reasoning, so you are lost when it comes to discussing things rationally.

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Listen why dont you just make it easier on yourself and say,I dont agree with Gods laws,arrangments etc.He gave you freedom of choice.I dont have a problem if you dont agree with bible etc.You are the one doing the insulting calling me and Gods organization stupid which only shows what a frustrated person you are.

I don't agree with your ancient concept of a god. Other gods? Sure. There are some pretty cool concepts out there. Some are great ideas, others are worse than your own. Your organization is run by false prophets, liars, cultists, and thieves (not only monetarily though). The only thing that frustrates me is that it's not dying out as fast as I'd prefer.

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When i use a bible post to back up a topic i mean well.We all know whether you agree with it or not ...YOU ARENT GOING TO!!Are you that bored or frustrated that you have to keep reminding us all how you feel?

The bolded sentence is an oxymoron statement. You are using a source that is easily falsified (most of the time), so continuing to use it is not a good method to go about spreading rational information. But since it is all you know, it is not hard to understand why you don't care to learn other things. I wish you could break from the cult mentality so we could discuss things on an actual realistic foundation.

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Go play with your science books and statistics!!

I did all day actually. Worked with a civil engineer on a clean energy concept. It's good to know I'm actually doing something that may actually benefit the world, y'know? But forget that...let's paint the gov't as corrupted and evil, refuse to further my education in favor of spreading ancient romantic stories, and walk around and annoy people with my preferred version of the bible. That seems like a much better use of one's time.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2014, 03:15:01 am by Falconer02 »

hitch0403

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Falconer....if you cant discern a worldwide brotherhood is telling the world about a book that has been around 1000s of years and translated into 100s of languages....predicted the future to prove its divine etc.......

Dont tell me you are working on a clean energy project!!I hope its far away from where i live!!!

And there were over 20 million people that observed The Lords Memorial <evening meal> last year.That number goes up every year cos sheep-like ones see the conditions on the earth eroding away like never before and realize the only salvation for this planet is Gods Kingdom.

April 14 after sundown this year to those that would like to attend The Memorial...... a command Jesus gave to his apostles to observe every year cos of the ransom of his death.

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1st Corith 11: 23-26

The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.  In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.     For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. (NIV translation

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Falconer....if you cant discern a worldwide brotherhood is telling the world about a book that has been around 1000s of years and translated into 100s of languages....predicted the future to prove its divine etc.......

The bible did not predict the future. We've been over this numerous times now.

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Dont tell me you are working on a clean energy project!!I hope its far away from where i live!!!

You don't want cheaper and less hazardous energy sources? It will make life better and easier for every--oh wait. I forgot I'm talking to person who's religion is based off of hypocritically bashing human progress.

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And there were over 20 million people that observed The Lords Memorial <evening meal> last year.That number goes up every year cos sheep-like ones see the conditions on the earth eroding away like never before and realize the only salvation for this planet is Gods Kingdom. April 14 after sundown this year to those that would like to attend The Memorial...... a command Jesus gave to his apostles to observe every year cos of the ransom of his death.

JW numbers are declining-- especially in first world countries. They also tend to make up their own statistics. A simple search can show you that.  Why are you only highlighting the large event where tons of non-JWs attend as well? You just want to cherry-pick your bits of information because real statistics are from satan, right? Sometimes the truth hurts.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2014, 09:24:21 pm by Falconer02 »

almorin

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Of course, I think I'm trying to 'keep humans from locking God in a cage.' People (including the writer of the Epistles) think that God must exist; I think instead that He can choose to exist or not to exist as it suits Him.

But am I kicking God out of the cage? The way I see it, humanity is locked in a 'cage' (laws of Newtonian Physics-etc.) & God is free to take-on those laws or to break them or to travel totally outside their influence; but is this 'cage' His paradise? Is it a "burden" to live without such self-governing laws as gravity, friction, attraction etc.?

Might I be asking God a similar question as the one Satan asked Eve: Is it true that You can do NOTHING against the words of this book?

The truth is, God CAN defy the Bible (just like any one of us CAN defy the local law & go & steal something or mangle property or covet our neighbors' wives etc.), but God CHOOSES not to (just like we CHOOSE not to break the law ... though the reason WE so-choose is usually 'to evade punishment')

I have known the existence of GOD who I refer to as my heavenly father since the age of sixteen.  I will not relate or tell of my experience here but it was an experience powerful enough to have changed my life and one that I will never forget.  I am now 52 years of age and have since had many experiences, revelations and gifts from GOD.

In this life we are given many choices to choose for ourselves the manner of persons that we wish to become.  Based on our life choices we experience the consequences based on those choices.

I wish you well in your life's journey.  And, hope and pray you find your way.  God Bless!

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