Killing in the name of......

[anubabs]

You need to read maybe the whole chapter to be able to understand these verses, there ate some background warnings, rules, laws, n instructions before leading to these.

[queenofnines]

Christians would rather believe in a God that sends people to hell...   good job at scaring the crap out of people.

When presented differently, patiently, lovingly, etc., it's a lot more different than qon's post scaring the tar of people herself, including yelling.

Are you freaking serious???  Jcribb, are you freaking serious???  You are so far off the deep end if you think an eternity of horrendous suffering is anywhere equal to my "shouting" a point.  I'm sorry, but your passe statement makes me very angry.  You really need to wake up and THINK about the fate your religion is condemning me to.

Crying, pain, torture, anguish, depression, sadness, scars, agony, aching, affliction, burning, convulsions, cramps, discomfort, distress, fever, gripe, hurt, illness, injury, irritation, lacerations, maladies, misery, pangs, pricks, sickness, soreness, spasms, stings, stitches, strains, tenderness, torment, trouble, wounds, annoyance, bites, chafing, constraint, grieving, harassment, harm, punishment, stress, suffering, worry, fire...

FOREVER

Simply for using my brain and finding Christianity's claims hard to believe.

I think you all don't really believe it.  Otherwise you would be desperate to ensure the people you care about don't go there.  To do anything but that - to say you personally don't have to worry or think about hell while still holding the belief that it exists - is selfish and sick beyond measure.

[502mania]

QO9s brings up a good point. sffering for eternity sdose't compare to abou 10 seconds of shoutin to make a point. god killed every living thing on earth to make a point in the bible. that makes Hitler look like a lightweight.

[jcribb16]

Queenofnines, you, angry?  Why?  You always get on to me when I am offended, upset, angry, etc., and say you "can't understand" why I would be any of those things.  So, right back at ya!  
You are only focusing on the other side of the coin.  God is a loving God and would love for people to make the "right" choices.  But this is not a perfect world of "right" choices 100% of the time. And in one respect you are right: I am "desperate" that my loved ones, friends, etc. won't have to go to hell either, and by them accepting Christ, they won't go to the everlasting place of punishment.  Yes, it is very serious about heaven/hell.  That's why it's so important to get right with Christ.

"tenderhearted mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience;  faith, hope, charity; strong in the Lord; righteousness, peace"


I like this saying that I saw in a "Top Bible Verses" site: "Trust the Good Shepherd and live boldly, or trust yourself and live in fear."

[Annella]

Christians would rather believe in a God that sends people to hell...   good job at scaring the crap out of people.

When presented differently, patiently, lovingly, etc., it's a lot more different than qon's post scaring the tar of people herself, including yelling.

Are you freaking serious???  Jcribb, are you freaking serious???  You are so far off the deep end if you think an eternity of horrendous suffering is anywhere equal to my "shouting" a point.  I'm sorry, but your passe statement makes me very angry.  You really need to wake up and THINK about the fate your religion is condemning me to.

Crying, pain, torture, anguish, depression, sadness, scars, agony, aching, affliction, burning, convulsions, cramps, discomfort, distress, fever, gripe, hurt, illness, injury, irritation, lacerations, maladies, misery, pangs, pricks, sickness, soreness, spasms, stings, stitches, strains, tenderness, torment, trouble, wounds, annoyance, bites, chafing, constraint, grieving, harassment, harm, punishment, stress, suffering, worry, fire...

FOREVER

Simply for using my brain and finding Christianity's claims hard to believe.

I think you all don't really believe it.  Otherwise you would be desperate to ensure the people you care about don't go there.  To do anything but that - to say you personally don't have to worry or think about hell while still holding the belief that it exists - is selfish and sick beyond measure.

What do think we've been doing on this forum?  Why do we spread the good news?  Of course we care.  Because we DON'T want people to go there!  Your leaving out one thing here qon, if you make the choice.  Everybody has a choice to believe it or not.  You chose not to believe the saving power of Salvation.  That is not our fault. That is your decision.

Everyone will stand for themselves on that day.  There is a scripture that says behold the Goodness, and the Severity of God.  He is a loving God (goodness), but there are consequences to our sin (severity).  the material gets presented, but after that, it's freedom of choice.  We can pray and try to lead to a better way.....but you chose.

You can't get mad at Jcribb because she tells the truth.  Well, you can, and you have, but your anger is misguided.

[queenofnines]

You can't get mad at Jcribb because she tells the truth.  Well, you can, and you have, but your anger is misguided.

My anger is misguided?  You believe in a religion that will eternally torture anyone who's not a member.  That means in 100 years when everyone who is currently alive is dead, 4 billion of us will be in hell.  4 BILLION.

Set aside these excuses of it being a "choice" for a minute; do you, Annella, do you, Jcribb, think I deserve to be tortured forever?

[jcribb16]

You can't get mad at Jcribb because she tells the truth.  Well, you can, and you have, but your anger is misguided.

My anger is misguided?  You believe in a religion that will eternally torture anyone who's not a member.  That means in 100 years when everyone who is currently alive is dead, 4 billion of us will be in hell.  4 BILLION.

Set aside these excuses of it being a "choice" for a minute; do you, Annella, do you, Jcribb, think I deserve to be tortured forever?

queen, I absolutely do not want you to be tortured forever, especially since I've gotten to know you through this forum. When you said you had accepted Christ once (and since then you say you don't), and if you were genuine in your heart about it at the time, then you are already going to heaven. For that, I am sincerely relieved and happy that you would be.

[Annella]

You can't get mad at Jcribb because she tells the truth.  Well, you can, and you have, but your anger is misguided.

My anger is misguided?  You believe in a religion that will eternally torture anyone who's not a member.  That means in 100 years when everyone who is currently alive is dead, 4 billion of us will be in hell.  4 BILLION.

Set aside these excuses of it being a "choice" for a minute; do you, Annella, do you, Jcribb, think I deserve to be tortured forever?

I'm not your Judge qon.  I would want to see you with us in Heaven.....and I mean that.  Being a choice is not an excuse.....it's fact.  I must adhere to the Word of God, and if you neglect this great Salvation that was prepared for you, there is a punishment (separation from God).  The Bible says some men's sins go before them (remitted and put under the blood of Jesus), and some men's sins go after them (not remitted, and must be faced on Judgement).

I do know that hell was prepared for the devil and his angels.  If we go there, we go as an intruder, as it was never meant to be our future destination (humanity).  

[shernajwine]

QO9s brings up a good point. sffering for eternity sdose't compare to abou 10 seconds of shoutin to make a point. god killed every living thing on earth to make a point in the bible. that makes Hitler look like a lightweight.

God never killed every living thing on the earth. And the judgment He passed was due to rampant sin. Hitler tortured people in concentration camps, he publicly ridiculed and shamed them, he despised Jews and Christians with pure hatred.

God hates sin, not people.

[bschumacher]

Seeing those passages, I recoil in horror from any religion that has any literal belief in the merciless violence these verses advocate. After all the bombings, stonings, and beheadings being done in the name of some religion or other, I have no use for anyone who makes any rationalization for such disgusting stuff. Good people nurture and forgive.  

[502mania]

God never killed every living thing on the earth. And the judgment He passed was due to rampant sin. Hitler tortured people in concentration camps, he publicly ridiculed and shamed them, he despised Jews and Christians with pure hatred.
God hates sin, not people.

GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history. Direct quote from my bible - "and, behold, i, even i, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy ALL flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven, and every thing that is in the earth shall die" - Genesis 6:17

[502mania]

EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt. god also killed innocent babies

[shernajwine]

God never killed every living thing on the earth. And the judgment He passed was due to rampant sin. Hitler tortured people in concentration camps, he publicly ridiculed and shamed them, he despised Jews and Christians with pure hatred.
God hates sin, not people.

GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history. Direct quote from my bible - "and, behold, i, even i, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy ALL flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven, and every thing that is in the earth shall die" - Genesis 6:17

God did not kill Noah and his family, they are included among people that were considered to be living. That's why I said God never killed all living things on the earth.

Read this and tell me what you think:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/localflood.html

[shernajwine]

EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt. god also killed innocent babies

For one thing babies are not innocent. The bible says we are all born sinful. Secondly, God doesn't see death the way we do. The death of a child simply means to be with God sooner. I don't consider that a bad thing. I would be sad if I lost my children but it would be for solely selfish reasons. Quite frankly, I'm more concerned about them growing up in the world we live in!

Read this and tell me what you think:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/killergod.html

[502mania]

dosen't psalms 104 refer to a completely different time period? and is that supposed to mean god didn't kill every 'living and breathing thing" as he said?