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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2012, 01:40:28 pm »
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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2012, 01:48:50 pm »
Chirp  [about 440 times]

**STOMP!!!**.......**lifts foot and peers under**......**grunts in satisfaction and sits back down**

Guess it's just the time of year for 'spam-bugs' to come out a-trolling ... no doubt other xtians fervantly hope that particular one isn't representative of too many of 'em.
One can lead a horse to water however, if one holds the horse's head under, that horse will drown.

             

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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2012, 02:26:02 pm »
Chirp  [about 440 times]

**STOMP!!!**.......**lifts foot and peers under**......**grunts in satisfaction and sits back down**

Guess it's just the time of year for 'spam-bugs' to come out a-trolling ... no doubt other xtians fervantly hope that particular one isn't representative of too many of 'em.
Well speaking as a non-Xtian, my experience with most I have came across never said "chirp" but did say something to the effect of "blah" "about 440 times".....

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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #108 on: May 20, 2012, 02:36:25 pm »
Chirp  [about 440 times]

**STOMP!!!**.......**lifts foot and peers under**......**grunts in satisfaction and sits back down**

Guess it's just the time of year for 'spam-bugs' to come out a-trolling ... no doubt other xtians fervantly hope that particular one isn't representative of too many of 'em.

Well speaking as a non-Xtian, my experience with most I have came across never said "chirp" but did say something to the effect of "blah" "about 440 times".....

Good observation.  When the "chirp" was spammed that many times, it seemed reasonable to deduce that an 'annoying' cricket was being imitated by the spammer - which was possibly unintentially-accurate.
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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #109 on: May 30, 2012, 08:56:48 am »
In a forum I would say that neither method is best. Speak your mind and if people don't get it either move on or explain it. As for real life you will have to decide. Although I don't always consciously do it, sometimes I will dumb down depending on the situation and the people involved. If everyone around you is less smart about a certain topic it doesn't make sense to go over their heads. However if most of the people in the group understand maybe one or two might have to wise up or ask later to understand. 

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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #110 on: May 30, 2012, 09:52:50 am »
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I see you guys are still having fun with my post.  I thought it was rather clever, myself.  A couple of observations:  1.  I do not see that the post I made was "spamming" according to the rules of the Forum.  Other posters who have been on longer than I have been called "spamming" the posting of links to other survey sites.  2.  I have not "trolled" this or other websites.  As a matter of fact, if you will check, I have posted to other websites many times and have also posted to this one before the famous "chirp" post.  3.  As I told you before, I am a Christian, not a "fundy" and have not been proselytizing on the Forum.  My only posts of that nature were acknowledging requests for prayer by other Christians.  If this is against the rules, please show it to me and I will cease and desist.  I do not ask you to accept my beliefs; therefore, I feel no need to prove anything to you. 

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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #111 on: May 30, 2012, 01:44:52 pm »
"FORUM RULES:
Understand that we cannot filter all of the content on the forums, so you may read or see something you don't like.

Your use of the forums is a privilege, not a right, and we may revoke your access at any time and for any reason."

These rules for posting apply to all FC members, which would include you, (despite your own misperceptions that follow).
 
I see you guys are still having fun with my post.  I thought it was rather clever, myself. 

On the contrary, nothing further was posted concerning your trolling for the last ten days until you brought it up to re-troll, (after being advised by FC to use the 'ignore button' or lose any legitimate basis for complaint). Trolls sometimes believe that their trollings are "clever" when they are not and xtian trolls believe a number of things which are equally untrue.
 
A couple of observations: I do not see that the post I made was "spamming" according to the rules of the Forum.  I have posted to other websites many times and have also posted to this one before the famous "chirp" post. 

Posting the word "chirp" 420 times in one post neither contributed to the context of the thread, nor asked/answered a question in this thread.  Therefore, it was more of a use of "spamming" in order to troll another FC member.

As I told you before, I am a Christian, not a "fundy" and have not been proselytizing on the Forum. 

"The fundamentalists, also known as fundies or by their Latin classification Homo Phobius, are a subspecies of humanity distinguished by their phobia (simultaneous fear and hatred) of most people who differ from them in any way, based on their extreme religious conviction." -- from the
"Urban Dictionary"

There are numerous archived examples of your proselytizing on FC forums; is it really necessary to produce a cross-section of these as examples when you'd likely continue in denial about your own posts?

 
My only posts of that nature were acknowledging requests for prayer by other Christians.  If this is against the rules, please show it to me and I will cease and desist.

It isn't against FC posting policies to make proselytizing religion, (as with bible-thumping in the 'daily verses' thread you post to).  It also isn't against FC posting policies to challenge the religious claims made in regards to "prayer" or any any other specious religious claims, (despite multiple attempts by some xtians to repress/censor/silence such dissenting viewpoints).

I do not ask you to accept my beliefs; therefore, I feel no need to prove anything to you. 

Such a stance is irrational since you've posted your belief-claims and have the burden of proof to substantiate them when challenged.  Although no one is under an obligation to do so should they "feel no need to prove anything", that merely indicates a preference for making unfounded assertions followed by a refusal to be responsible for backing them up.  Colloquially, that's known as "hit-and-run" posting wherein the one making an unfounded assertion designates their post as an "opinion" which requires no substantiation.  Therefore, unsubstantiated beliefs are reduced to being opinions without evidentiary basis.
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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #112 on: May 30, 2012, 03:49:59 pm »
This is the sum total of all my posts about my faith.  I challenge you to find something that looks like proselytizing (1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause).  I am not trying to recruit or convert anyone.

This Christian does not hate Atheists either.  Neither do most people I know, Christians and non-Christians alike.  True Christianity is love and God is Love.
 To the original poster - have you studied Calvinism?  Its origins and its originators?  And what makes you think the Calvinists are correct?  I have noticed in my 68 years that most people who advance theories as yours have not studied and do not know what they are talking about.  The theories are an excuse to convince themselves there is no God.  And most people who do this are trying to combat the teachings of hard-line preachers and evangelists who don't know what they are talking about either, but who are mostly in the field of religion for the money.  Those people have done more to hurt the people who they say they are trying to help.  If you get down to studying the Bible, you will find it is really simple and you don't have to believe outrageous theories.
 God doesn't "hate fags."  He hates the sin, but loves the sinner.
I agree that the two are compatible.  You do not have to make a choice.  A thinking person can have faith and still study science.  However, with the number of times that scientists have changed their minds about one thing and another, one wonders why some people choose to believe everything they are told about science.  I believe a higher power has given us the capability to learn and do all sorts of things.
Yes, I fully expect to see my brother again in Heaven someday with other members of my family who were believers.  My mother was a wonderful Christian woman who prayed for her children every day.  I truly believe that my brother was given extra time here on earth (his doctors called him a miracle man because he survived more than six years with lung cancer after being given three months to live) for him to return to God and to become closer to his family.  There were so many people praying for him.   So we were grateful for the time that we had.  Thanks again for all the prayers and good wishes.  I am truly grateful.
I appreciate more than words can say the expressions of sympathy and hope.  I grieve for my brother, and I know that I will always miss him.  I still miss my mother and grandmother that I was close to and lost many years ago.  But I believe when my brother died he had a family reunion in Heaven with them and other family members.  I grieve for him, but I rejoice that he is no longer in pain.  The feeling that I cannot really believe he is gone is still with me.  Right now I am visiting my daughter and son-in-law and my three-year-old grandson.  I think it is good for me to be around my grandson and watch the new and exciting things he is experiencing every day.  And to those who believe in the power of prayer, please say one for me.  Thanks so much.
My favorite Bible verse is "The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want."
I have come to the conclusion that there is little to be gained by debating religion or politics, especially on a forum such as this.  I must admit I have been tempted and have a couple of times commented on these two subjects.  However, the debates usually end up with people on both sides getting mad and calling each other names, etc.  What is the point in that?  I believe most of the people who respond have deep feelings about the subjects (or they just want to get other people upset and incited to becoming combative), so it is unlikely anyone will be persuaded to change their minds.  I myself am a Christian and hope that people would respect my faith as I respect theirs. 
Yesterday, an eight-year-old autistic boy was found after six days of being lost in a Civil War battlefield park in Hanover County, VA, where I used to live and near where I now live.  He had wandered away in the woods while on an outing with his family.  Over 6,000 people from all over the country searched for him.  Yesterday, they found him alive and in good shape; he only had some cuts and bruises and was dehydrated.  In announcing the finding of little Robert, the Hanover County Sheriff, with tears in his eyes, said, "There is a God and God does answer prayers."  (Please, I'm not asking for a religious debate, just celebrating the finding of this little boy.)
I looked at this discussion shortly after it began - waaaay back when.  Then I looked at it a few days ago when I realized it was still going.  That is when I made a comment.  I don't mind if people call me names (although I thought that was not allowed on the forum).  However, it is interesting to me how vitriolic people can be when it comes to this subject.  It makes me wonder why people expend so much energy on a subject when neither side is likely to be swayed.  And, after all, you are entitled to your own opinions, as am I.  I also wonder how many people have done any in-depth studies on the subject - and I mean higher education, not just the Internet.  Have you really studied ancient Greek and Latin to find out how the languages have developed to the modern day, and thus many of the customs?  Have you studied archeology?  More and more of the modern archeologists have said that their work is proving that Biblical narratives and locations are more accurate than many people have believed.  Have you studied ancient history up to the modern day to see how countries and customs have evolved?  There is so much more involved than just taking a theory that someone has put forth and repeating it as fact.  Many years ago when I was a teenager I had many questions about the Bible and how certain things and events could have really been possible.  I have learned much since then after studying in college and doing personal research.  When you know how ancient writers wrote and how the Bible has been translated again and again, you realize that, although much of it is written in the symbolism of the day, the core of the message is always the same.  I am not a literalist; I have a brain.  I hope you guys can find something more constructive to do than throwing slurs and calling people names and passing judgement on people you don't even know.  There are so many better ways to spend your energies - like helping the less fortunate.
BTW, how many of those people on here who do not believe in God celebrated Christmas?  Just wondered.
I am also praying for you and your family.  I believe God hears and answers prayers.
One more comment from me and I am out of this never-ending debate (??).  The comment you posted regarding my assertion that I am not a fundamentalist is made with an assumption that you know what goes on in my head.  I have gone through this entire thread and other topics to which I have posted to see if I have posted anything that seems to show extremism on my part.  There is no "strict adherence to specific theological doctrines, combined with a vigorous attack on outside threats to their religious beliefs."  I am a Christian, not a fundamentalist - there is a difference.  I have made no "vigorous" attack on outside threats to my religious beliefs.  I believe that anyone can believe whatever they want to believe; my words are not going to change them.  Most of my posts on this thread were an attempt to show that your "vigorous attacks" seem to indicate some sort of psychological problem.  I am not a psychologist, but there seems to be something lacking in your life that causes you to interminably attack anyone who disagrees with you, especially on one particular subject. 
Thank you all for the prayers for my sister.  She is doing well in her recovery so far.
I realize these so-called discussion boards are "enter at your own risk," but is it necessary to comment with your views (to which you are entitled) on a post from someone who has lost a loved one and is, by their own choice, asking for prayers?  Everyone knows by this time that you are challenging Christians (xtians) to provide tangible and irrefutable proof that the Christian God does not exist.  Personally, I feel no need to try and prove anything.  My reaction and my view of your post is that it is at the least ungentlemanly and at the most extremely distasteful.



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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #113 on: May 30, 2012, 04:02:17 pm »
To Walksalone:  "Crickets throughout history have had all kinds of old wives tales and superstitions surround them. Some of the most popular include:

-If you find a cricket on your hearth, it is a sign of good luck for your entire household for thousands of years to come.
-If a cricket suddenly stops chirping, danger is close by.
-Crickets bring good luck to the entire family if they enter your home.
-Images of crickets on necklaces, bracelets, or paintings can ward off the evil eye.
-Killing a cricket, even if you killed it by accident is very very bad luck, so you had better not use them for fishing.
-The chirping of a cricket brings good luck to all that hear. "  Yahoo Answers

Personally, I, myself, don't believe in old wives tales and superstitions.

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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #114 on: May 30, 2012, 04:16:54 pm »
Crickets throughout history have had all kinds of old wives tales and superstitions surround them.

Personally, I, myself, don't believe in old wives tales and superstitions.

The assertion concerning superstitions and not believing in them is manifestly untrue since you've self-declared as a xtian.

"Religion is based ... mainly upon fear ... fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the
parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand . . . . My own view
on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the
human race."
-- Bertrand Russell
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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #115 on: May 30, 2012, 05:25:01 pm »
This is the sum total of all my posts about my faith.  I challenge you to find something that looks like proselytizing: to induce someone to convert to one's faith ...

Okay.

"True Christianity is love and God is Love."

The above remark you confirmed posting is religious propaganda and as such, is proselytizing xtianity.

"The theories are an excuse to convince themselves there is no God."

Characterizing challenges to xtians to provide evidence of their claims asserting that 'there is a g-d' as "excuses" in response to an irrational demand that a negative premise be 'proven', (e.g., that there 'isn't a g-d'), consitutes both a logical fallacy and an implicit proselytizing of an inherent premise that there is such a supernatural being.

"If you get down to studying the Bible, you will find it is really simple and you don't have to believe outrageous theories."

That is a false assertion since one who 'studies the bible' is required to have "faith" to believe the "outrageous theories" presented in that dubious collection of documents.  That requirement/admonishment contained within "the bible" is inherently proselytizing as is the recommendation to study that dubious collection of documents.

"I believe a higher power has given us the capability to learn and do all sorts of things.
Yes, I fully expect to see my brother again in Heaven someday with other members of my family who were believers.  My mother was a wonderful Christian woman who prayed for her children every day. But I believe when my brother died he had a family reunion in Heaven with them and other family members."

The public, (FC forums), expression of such beliefs constitutes proselytizing those beliefs, (e.g., play upon any fears of the deaths of loved ones or, one's own demise, in order to implicitly proselytize xtian beliefs).   

My favorite Bible verse is "The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want."

Requoting an existing collection of dubious religious documents, (when there are already millions of copies extant), is using such to proselytize.

"I myself am a Christian and hope that people would respect my faith as I respect theirs."

That remark contains an inherent falsehood, ("respect" for non-xtian viewpoints which is entirely lacking - as shown by other archived FC posts made by the claimant).  It comprises proselytizing because it implicitly implies that a xtian respects other 'faiths', (even when a non-religious point of view doesn't rely upon "faith"), and seeks to convince the reader that such a false assertion is something to be aspired to via becoming a xtian - as if some non-xtians do not respect the 'faiths' of others, (unsurprisingly, some do - who'd have thought it so?).

"... the Hanover County Sheriff, with tears in his eyes, said, "There is a God and God does answer prayers." 

Relating a story concerning someone else making a false attribution of a result to a hypothetical supernatural being is definitely proselytizing.
 
"More and more of the modern archeologists have said that their work is proving that Biblical narratives and locations are more accurate than many people have believed.  Have you studied ancient history up to the modern day to see how countries and customs have evolved?  There is so much more involved than just taking a theory that someone has put forth and repeating it as fact."

As someone who has studied ancient histories extensively, I'd have to agree that "there is so much more involved than just taking a theory that someone has put forth", (such as the religious speculative theories in 'the bible'), and repeating it as fact."  Putting forth unreferenced and thoeries and sophist speculations by religiously-biased "modern archeologists" constitutes an especially insidious proselytizing.

"I am also praying for you and your family.  I believe God hears and answers prayers."

Such religious beliefs constitute proselytizing.  We therefore have evidence which you presented, in your own archived words, that contradicts your claim to not proselytizing, (and 'not' doing it nine times).  What such evidence contrary to your claim inherently demonstrates is that such self-delusions are often part and parcel of blind faith.

One more comment from me and I am out of this never-ending debate (??).  The comment you posted regarding my assertion that I am not a fundamentalist is made with an assumption that you know what goes on in my head. 

On the contrary, that conclusion was reached based solely upon your publically-made posts in that regard, (not upon whatever irrationalities may be going on in you head at any given time).

I have gone through this entire thread and other topics to which I have posted to see if I have posted anything that seems to show extremism on my part.  There is no "strict adherence to specific theological doctrines, combined with a vigorous attack on outside threats to their religious beliefs." 

There aren't?  Then you may consider that 'elves/gnomes/pixies/sprites/angels/daemons' may have accessed your computer and used it to publically post such remarks under your 'nym.
 
I am a Christian, not a fundamentalist - there is a difference.  I have made no "vigorous" attack on outside threats to my religious beliefs. 

Your assertion is contradicted by your other posts which belie that assertion.  It's unclear why such an insistant denial of archived evidence is being repeated, (as if a falsehood oft-repeated can become the 'truth'?).  Since you've previously declared that you have no responsibility under the burden of proof to support your claims with evidence, it will be left to interested others to choose whether or not they are prompted to provide such evidence, (in the form of your own posted words), which contradicts your empty declarations.

Most of my posts on this thread were an attempt to show that your "vigorous attacks" indicate some sort of psychological problem.   

Challenging the specious claims of religious adherents co not constitute the "vigorous attacks", (presumably implying 'fundamentalism on my part); which would "indicate some sort of psychological problem."  Using 'pop-psychology' as an ad hominem, (name-calling), is a particularly weak form of arguement.  Since you raised the matter of "some sort of psychological problem", it has been theorized by trained psychologists that those who cling irrationally to religious "faith", (that is, to that which has no basis in valid evidence and instead relies entirely upon blind belief), may have seriously debilitating psychological impairments.  Those particular impairments do not apply to those who hold no such irrational beliefs/faith and instead, manifest rationality and logical reasoning.

I am not a psychologist, but there seems to be something lacking in your life that causes you to interminably attack anyone who disagrees with you, especially on one particular subject.

That's another of your false characterizations; challenging an initial dubious assertion made by anyone, (including religious adherents), does not constitute an "attack" - either "interminably" or intermittently.  Conversely, the "vigorous attacks" made by several xtians in response to such challenges to "anyone who disagrees with" their particular religious superstitions in clearly evident on these forums.


I realize these so-called discussion boards are "enter at your own risk," but is it necessary to comment with your views (to which you are entitled) on a post from someone who has lost a loved one and is, by their own choice, asking for prayers?  Everyone knows by this time that you are challenging Christians (xtians) to provide tangible and irrefutable proof that the Christian God does not exist.

No, I've consistently challenged those xtians who make specious religious claims to provide evidence to support them, (which does not include requests for "proof that the Christian God does not exist"; the request has always been for evidence that 'g-d' does exist).
Sans any irrefutable evidence being presented as proof of the claimed existence of a supernatural entity, the only logical conclusion which can be drawn is that such religious adherents have "faith" that such an entity exists which circularly relies upon their "belief" in same.

Personally, I feel no need to try and prove anything. 

While I'm already aware of the dodging of responsibility under the burden of proof for making specious claims, it's good that others can read your own words and discern for themselves whether such comprises blind-faith, sans evidence. 

My reaction and my view of your post is that it is at the least ungentlemanly and at the most extremely distasteful.

Coincidentally, my view regarding your posts is that they've consisted of disingenuous proselytizing which I find extremely distasteful as well.

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their
own desires."
-- Susan B. Anthony

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular
superstition (Christianity) one 'redeeming' feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #116 on: May 30, 2012, 06:11:44 pm »
   
The Jefferson Presidential Library has searched for the following alleged quotation and cannot find it within their collection of known and verified Jefferson writings. Therefore we think this quotation is probably a forgery and recommend its removal from all quotes collections.
     -- Positive Atheism Magazine

"Quotation 'Not Found'
The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.
-- Quotation 'Not Found,' popularly alleged to have been in a letter to his nephew, Peter Carr. Our editor, Cliff Walker, checked "by hand" every letter to Peter Carr included in the Multomah County Library's reader copy of Jefferson's Works and found nothing along these lines in any such letter.

Letter Not Found
I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies.
-- Quotation 'Not Found,' while Remsburg did have access to sources that have since been lost, and while this sounds like other statements Jefferson is kown to have made, we feel safer keeping this one out of our collection unless and until the letter in question surfaces and is verified to be from the President's hand."

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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #117 on: May 30, 2012, 06:23:15 pm »
"Quotation 'Not Found'
"Personally, I feel no need to try and prove anything."

Fixating upon an quotation at the end of a lengthy refutation of your specious claims may seem like a 'clever dodge' to you however, it instead illuminates an apparently inherent disingenuity in one particular xtian engaging in it, (in lieu of taking responsibility for substantiating their specious claims).

As for Jefferson's quote; a brief search brings up ten pages of results attributing the quote to T. Jefferson. Several of these sources cannot verify the attribution; just as there are NO verifiable sources for biblical quotations.

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man is happier than a sober one."
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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #118 on: May 30, 2012, 08:20:33 pm »
    pros·e·ly·tized   pros·e·ly·tiz·ing
Definition of PROSELYTIZE
intransitive verb
1
: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2
: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause

transitive verb
: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

(Merriam-Webster Dictionary)


Actually, since it is insisted that proselytizing is going on in the Bible verse thread, I believe, then that proselytizing is happening from you, too, in order to sway people from discussing religious issues and instead, agree with the stance that there is no God; a *"cause."  You are consistently knocking just about any religious post in this forum.  This type of proselytizing for that kind of cause is distasteful (using your word.)

Most Christians in here do accept anyone else's choice of what they believe or don't believe.  It is, ultimately, everyone's personal choice to believe what they think.  However, you do not show the same courtesy with anyone else's choice of Christianity, and continue to try and disregard their beliefs totally, disprove them, and make them look foolish and irrational.  This is NOT following the Golden Rule listed in this thread.  *Disparaging and uncomplimentary remarks consistently are being made from you to others with regard to religion.  There is no debating going on - it's completely one-sided with all rebuttal dismissive with the impression you are totally correct and the religious side are totally incorrect.  Once again, this is not following the Golden Rule, and is very disparaging and offensive.


*Cause - 1. To be the cause of or reason for; result in.
2. To bring about or compel by authority or force: The moderator invoked a rule causing the debate to be ended.   1.(Verb) - Give rise to; cause to happen or occur, not always intentionally; "cause a commotion"; "make a stir"; "cause an accident" (The Free Dictionary) 

*Disparaging - Adj.   1. Expressive of low opinion; "derogatory comments"; "disparaging remarks about the new house"
derogative, derogatory
uncomplimentary - tending to (or intended to) detract or disparage     



When I first joined, there were a lot of religious/non-religious debates in this forum.  While we all may not have agreed, and sparked, and sometimes felt like pulling hairs out, there was still room for listening, respecting and discussing the disagreements.  Later, things did get a little heated, and several had to back off for awhile and cool off.  I look back on many of those, now, and would much rather have those debates with those posters back in place again.  At least there was discussion most of the time, and we could still interject humor from both sides at the end of the day. 

Religious debates are dropping in number now and while you might be ecstatic about that, as it seems, others enjoy earning a bonus in here for posting things of interest, which do include Bible verses for inspiration, and asking for prayers and acknowledging prayers answered.  You have taken a lot of that joy away from many because you come in constantly doing what was said above.

Yes, the ignore button can be used.  However, that does not solve the issue, especially when newbies come in and get treated the same way.  They come in innocently and then are at a loss at how to respond to you.  It's just stirring up strife.  A little respect can go a long way.  Yes, it's an open forum, but it's not a forum for people to come into and feel belittled for their stance on things.  The open forum doesn't necessarily mean that you have to go into everyone of the threads, especially the religious ones, simply to make your disparaging remarks.

The report button is there for a reason.  However, apparently people are afraid to use it now for fear of reprimand on them for using it when a poster is breaking or appears to be breaking 1 or 2 of the rules.  There needs to be fairness represented by all posters of this forum, in order to make it a great forum, and a forum that members of FC enjoy coming into each day to post posts. 


Anyway, with all of that said, have a great evening and a better Thursday.

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Re: Dumbing-down or wising-up?
« Reply #119 on: May 30, 2012, 08:24:19 pm »
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I see you guys are still having fun with my post.  I thought it was rather clever, myself.  A couple of observations:  1.  I do not see that the post I made was "spamming" according to the rules of the Forum.  Other posters who have been on longer than I have been called "spamming" the posting of links to other survey sites.  2.  I have not "trolled" this or other websites.  As a matter of fact, if you will check, I have posted to other websites many times and have also posted to this one before the famous "chirp" post.  3.  As I told you before, I am a Christian, not a "fundy" and have not been proselytizing on the Forum.  My only posts of that nature were acknowledging requests for prayer by other Christians.  If this is against the rules, please show it to me and I will cease and desist.  I do not ask you to accept my beliefs; therefore, I feel no need to prove anything to you. 
Thank you for posting those rules for all of us to see again.

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