Gay marriage

[ktheodos]

Okay....so, can we have a mature conversation about it? I would love to hear thoughts about it, as well as thoughts about how stupid all the back and forth about it has become so political!

[ckaliszewski]

I don't see why people are so against it. If everyone just minded their own business and worried about their own lives they should have no reason to *bleep* about it.

[bottomprice]

No gay please

[falcon9]

No gay please

Okay, then no mind-blind spam please, (after observing the same pattern of posting in other threads).

[jenniferhoder]

I personally believe that MARRIAGE should be something between a man and woman and God. If you choose to have a same sex partner, FINE, but I don't believe that there should be a certificate that says so!

[JayTheBully]

i don't really have issue with gay marriage....but i love females to much....but what man wouldn't wont to feel a beautiful lady on them?

[falcon9]

I personally believe that MARRIAGE should be something between a man and woman and God. If you choose to have a same sex partner, FINE, but I don't believe that there should be a certificate that says so!

That religious fundamentalist opinion is sufficiently prejudiced to extend into the sublimely bigoted.  Don't misunderstand, it isn't all that difficult to expound such an unreasoned position.  What would you say if someone else 'believed' that xtians shouldn't marry and propagate such propaganda?

[jbarrows1015]

i personally believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. I have nothing against gay relationships or someone who is gay(i have several gay friends). I always have said that if God created marriage to be between the same sex, the Bible would have said that He created Adam and Steve instead of Adam and Eve. I have heard claims that the Bible has gay relationships in it. I have not once seen that. Please dont judge me on what I believe. I have just as much right as a christian to state my beliefs as a gay couple has to be gay.

[falcon9]

I always have said that if God created marriage ...

People created the concept of "marriage".  There is no evidence that an alleged supernatural being did so, (bearing in mind that the circular argument referencing a 'bible' does not constitute valid evidence).

Please dont judge me on what I believe. I have just as much right as a christian to state my beliefs as a gay couple has to be gay.

Your "beliefs" are still judgmental, and so are mine when they challenge such specious 'beliefs' however, my adjudged conclusion are derived from reason, (as opposed to unreasoned religious beliefs; the difference isn't that subtle).

[krissi79]

As a Christian it says in the Bible that marriage is between a man and a woman. BUT who am i to judge? God made people gay and how do we know it wasnt to see if we would judge them. I have gay family members and friends. I love them all. 

[falcon9]

As a Christian it says in the Bible that marriage is between a man and a woman. BUT who am i to judge?  

Who are those who cobbled-together the 'bible', (in its various forms and claiming without evidence that it's the "word of 'g-d'"), to judge?  I'm 'straight'; not because any hypothetical 'deity made me that way', but because I happen to not be attracted to the same gender as I am.

[ckaliszewski]

I am friends with a lesbian couple and they had to go to NY to get married because they wanted to have a baby and if one of them gave birth and happened to die then her partner would have no legal rights to the child. She would also have no property rights or rights of any kind if her partner died. It's not just about having a certificate.

[sigmapi1501]

  He created Adam and Steve instead of Adam and Eve.

Really? People STILL say this?  You realize this is the EXACT phrase sane people use to mock you and show how stupid you are, right?

[scandy01]

I don't usually post a whole lot on this forum, but felt the need to chime in here with what seems to be an unpopular perspective.  I am a Christian, baptized as a child and wholeheartedly believe in Jesus dying for ALL of our sins.  We all sin.  And none of us are to judge.  Period.  I just can't understand Christians telling others they are wrong or don't deserve equal rights "According to the Bible,"  when the very act they are displaying, calling someone else out & choosing to judge their life is exactly WRONG "According to the Bible."  (Ok, I guess some could argue I'm judging those who are judging but I don't know how else to express the true message of God, & I don't mean to judge because I used to feel the same way as many of you but I just feel the need to reiterate what the only thing is that we should be concerned with when it comes to other people). It would help us to remember as Christians, the only message supercedes all judgement is LOVE.  PERIOD.  It is our job to love, not judge.  It does say let those without sin cast the first stone....don't worry, I'll wait....

That's right, there is nobody without sin. We are also told "judge, lest thee be judged" as in, we will be judged w/ the same measure of severity that we judge others. It's this mentality that drives people from God when our biggest, most important job above all is to show unconditional love as God loves to every single human being no matter who they are or what they believe.  That is the message of Christianity.  It's anyones right to say what they believe, but I take it personally I guess when it's purpose is to strip someone of basic rights, based on our own judgement, all done in the name of God.  It does more harm than good, and drives more away from God rather than bring them close to God.

And one thing I find very interesting, as a biracial black/white woman, is those who say they aren't against gay people or anything, they just don't think they should be allowed equal rights, because after all, well "I have gay friends!"  ....It sounds eerily similar to the saying from back in the day of the Civil Rights Movement - "I'm not racist or anything...I have black friends!!" line. 

I just think life would be much simpler if we all try to love each other above all else & not let ourselves get bogged down with simple details that will not make an iota of difference when we get to the other side and God asks us "What have you done for your fellow man?"  Life would be so much better if we just love each other as we wish to be loved and leave the details up to the Man Upstairs.  That would make God smile more than anything.

Love and Blessings to ALL of you.  Each and everyone of you. 

[falcon9]

I don't usually post a whole lot on this forum, but felt the need to chime in here with what seems to be an unpopular perspective.

Conversely, the kind ones would call me a 'prolific' poster, (while the unkind ones have other names for my remarks and me).  Nonetheless, I chose to respond to your post in my usual interleaved manner so, don't take it personally, aye?

I am a Christian, baptized as a child and wholeheartedly believe in Jesus dying for ALL of our sins.  We all sin.  And none of us are to judge.  Period.

Since you go on to point out below the overt judging that you also are engaging in, it may seem superfluous to mention that we all "judge".  That's right; everytime someone walks down a dark street alone, they're attempting to judge whether or not that 'shadow' lurking in the corners of the night has hostile intent or, is just a cat.  People judge others all the time.  Without judgement, there is no discernment.  Without discernment, there are no preferences.  Without preferences, we'd all like or dislike exactly the same things/people.  We don't do so, we make judgements based on the available information or, previous judgements made, then make decisions based upon such judgements.

An admonishment from a dubious religious source would have its followers eschew discernment and reasoning and judge nothing, (people or situations).  I choose to eschew such religious admonishments in favor of using my skull for something more than a place to keep my hair atop.

 I just can't understand Christians telling others they are wrong or don't deserve equal rights "According to the Bible,"  when the very act they are displaying, calling someone else out & choosing to judge their life is exactly WRONG "According to the Bible."  (Ok, I guess some could argue I'm judging those who are judging but I don't know how else to express the true message of God, & I don't mean to judge because I used to feel the same way as many of you ...

Logically, it isn't possible to 'not-judge' while judging as the two are mutually-exclusive positions to take.

That's right, there is nobody without sin.

That's an inherently presumptuous and sanctimonious assertion because it relies upon a irrationally-weighted religious 'concept' not shared by everyone else, (the presumed authority of a 'divine law', itself being without rational basis and relying wholly upon "faith" - which means 'a belief without evidence').  The entire ediface is built upon nothing substantial.

We are also told "judge, lest thee be judged" as in, we will be judged w/ the same measure of severity that we judge others. It's this mentality that drives people from God when our biggest, most important job above all is to show unconditional love as God loves to every single human being no matter who they are or what they believe.

How about "no matter what they" don't believe as well?  Numerous xtian 'believers' have repeatedly 'attack' disbelieving challengers to their religious beliefs, (rather than debate the challenges themselves to any great depth.

It's anyones right to say what they believe, but I take it personally I guess when it's purpose is to strip someone of basic rights, based on our own judgement, all done in the name of God.

By the same "right", anyone who doesn't believe as a matter of blind faith can "say"/write about their dissenting position as well.  Otherwise, that's tacitly supporting suppressing such dissent in favor of the beliefs of religious adherents.