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falcon9

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Re: bible
« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2012, 12:01:10 pm »
"Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for Atheism ever conceived."
-- Isaac Asimov
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« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2012, 12:09:09 pm »
I agree. I can't say that I have a favorite story. When I read the Bible and attend church, I can feel and hear God's message all around me.

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Re: bible
« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2012, 12:16:00 pm »
"We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn't been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake."
-- Catherine Fahringer
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Re: bible
« Reply #78 on: July 16, 2012, 12:39:53 pm »
"We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn't been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake."
-- Catherine Fahringer


*How's that?

*Care to explain why the exact number of 1,500 (how she arrived at those particular amount of years?)

*While at it, can you confirm that this was her opinion or if it was a factual comment? 

*Did she base this opinion or fact from the basis of what she believed or did not believe in?
 
*And, was she aiming it at a religion overall (in other words, in one box and one box only) or was there a particular sect she aimed this at?

*How does this apply to today and to what you are trying to get across to the readers?

Thanking you ahead for your explanations.

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Re: bible
« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2012, 01:21:35 pm »
"We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn't been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake."
-- Catherine Fahringer

*Care to explain why the exact number of 1,500 (how she arrived at those particular amount of years?)

You'd have to ask Catherine.  The figure is most likely an estimate derived from the number of years progress was suppressed by superstitious religious oppression and extrapolated from progress rates with such religious tyranny.
 
*While at it, can you confirm that this was her opinion or if it was a factual comment? 

Several people from various disiplines have commented that, without the dark ages and other suppressive superstitious judeo-xtian influences, scientific progress may have advanced by between 200 and 1500 years, (those are estimates on potentials, and yes - they're informed opinions, unlike uninformed religious beliefs).
 
*And, was she aiming it at a religion overall (in other words, in one box and one box only) or was there a particular sect she aimed this at?

Since she didn't specifically single out any one superstitious belief system, either she meant them all or, the one most responsible for the  repression and suppression of scientific progress, (regardless of sect/cult/other moot internal divisions).

*How does this apply to today and to what you are trying to get across to the readers?
Thanking you ahead for your explanations.

Today, there are more subtle attempts at suppression/repression of viewpoints which dissent from those of superstitious religious beliefs.  That insidious process includes characterizing challenges as "rude" or "impolite" in order to supress them by appealing to a one-sided 'politeness', (where rude and impolite religious opinions, sanctimonious pronouncements and self-righteous proselytizing gets a free pass).
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Re: bible
« Reply #80 on: July 16, 2012, 02:47:42 pm »
The story of Ruth, because of the self sacrifice she made to honor her mother in law.

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Re: bible
« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2012, 04:06:26 pm »

"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."
-- Robert Heinlein
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Re: bible
« Reply #82 on: September 27, 2012, 04:27:52 pm »
My most favorite story in the Bible is when Jesus died on the cross. The fact that he died for us and we are forgiven because of his death. If this would not have happened we would all miss heaven.

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