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« Reply #90 on: August 04, 2009, 08:59:52 am »
zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.

This logic scares me.  It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people?  A line is to be drawn, for good reason.  If you would like to propose a more capable organization outside of the government that can draw this line, I'm interested to hear about it.

I find it kind of humorous though that people think something passed by the UN is really going to effect them all that much...

What on earth scares you? I don't care what you name your child. If you want to name him Muttley have at it. And your confused, I don't teach my children to hate anyone. Hate is a waste of time, energy and thought process. I want the opportunity to raise my child as I see fit, that means we home school since the schools in my area are a waste of time and they are now getting the education they deserve to go in in life and make a career for themselves.

When someone says "you should be able to raise your child ANY way you want," that's an extremely slippery slope that is guaranteed to lead to trouble.  My example was a simple one, there are many more.

Do you know who Heinrich Himmler was?  Do you not see a problem with a child with this name trying to have any social life at all in or out of school?  What do you think is going to happen when, in history class, the teacher starts lecturing on the Holocaust and discussions on Himmler come up?  Do you think people will look past this kids name?  When this kid goes to get a job, and the person doing the hiring sees his name (hopefully that person isn't a Jew), you don't see a problem?  The child is unfairly, involuntarily given a life of isolation from the majority of society and can't do anything about it until they're 18 (and again, the damage is already done at that point).  It is not the right of a parent to deny their kid a fair shot at a "normal" life.

I didn't assert you teach your kids to hate or that you're not giving them a fair shot.  I was not commenting on you personally, I don't know you.  All I was doing was making the point that it is irrational to make a blanket statement that parents should be allowed to raise their child any way they desire, just because they gave birth to them.  Children have rights in a parent-child relationship, just as parents do.

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Do you even know that signing that treaty would trump all state laws concerning anyone's children? Do you know that this could possibly effect my rights on discipline, education and if we we're religious our religion? This could possibly break up what we know as families today. Don't get me wrong, I think that all children have a basic right to education, good food and free of abuse. However, giving the UN the right to tell our country what to do is irresponsible to our citizens.

I know the UN has rarely done anything to enforce anything they say or pass, and I doubt it will change.

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« Reply #91 on: August 04, 2009, 11:12:26 am »
I think when Obama became president; black people are acting so rude and think they have power than other people. It doesn't mean I insult them and it was just my experience. Some of them are fine with me.

I had a black lady who was very rude and unhelpful in social security office. The communicate was awful between us. Whatever we were talking about and at the end, she said a BIG "NO" on the paper then wrote on the paper again and said "You are wrong!" I thought it was disrespect for her to say this. She didn't know what I was talking about and said NO, YOU ARE WRONG which she never read through the file of what's going on with my family.  >:(

I think some people are getting worse in this world with no manners.  :BangHead:

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« Reply #92 on: August 04, 2009, 11:39:53 am »
zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.

This logic scares me.  It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people?  A line is to be drawn, for good reason.  If you would like to propose a more capable organization outside of the government that can draw this line, I'm interested to hear about it.

I find it kind of humorous though that people think something passed by the UN is really going to effect them all that much...

What on earth scares you? I don't care what you name your child. If you want to name him Muttley have at it. And your confused, I don't teach my children to hate anyone. Hate is a waste of time, energy and thought process. I want the opportunity to raise my child as I see fit, that means we home school since the schools in my area are a waste of time and they are now getting the education they deserve to go in in life and make a career for themselves.

When someone says "you should be able to raise your child ANY way you want," that's an extremely slippery slope that is guaranteed to lead to trouble.  My example was a simple one, there are many more.

Do you know who Heinrich Himmler was?  Do you not see a problem with a child with this name trying to have any social life at all in or out of school?  What do you think is going to happen when, in history class, the teacher starts lecturing on the Holocaust and discussions on Himmler come up?  Do you think people will look past this kids name?  When this kid goes to get a job, and the person doing the hiring sees his name (hopefully that person isn't a Jew), you don't see a problem?  The child is unfairly, involuntarily given a life of isolation from the majority of society and can't do anything about it until they're 18 (and again, the damage is already done at that point).  It is not the right of a parent to deny their kid a fair shot at a "normal" life.

I didn't assert you teach your kids to hate or that you're not giving them a fair shot.  I was not commenting on you personally, I don't know you.  All I was doing was making the point that it is irrational to make a blanket statement that parents should be allowed to raise their child any way they desire, just because they gave birth to them.  Children have rights in a parent-child relationship, just as parents do.

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Do you even know that signing that treaty would trump all state laws concerning anyone's children? Do you know that this could possibly effect my rights on discipline, education and if we we're religious our religion? This could possibly break up what we know as families today. Don't get me wrong, I think that all children have a basic right to education, good food and free of abuse. However, giving the UN the right to tell our country what to do is irresponsible to our citizens.

I know the UN has rarely done anything to enforce anything they say or pass, and I doubt it will change.

You have every right to your own opinion, however my experiences with having one of "those" names is I live with it every single day, it's a name. It does not make me who I am. I have a job, and I wasn't looked at weird for having "that" name. I think I survived having the a name I was given just fine and I never thought to change it. And if you don't mind my asking what do you define as "normal"? And in all honestly I don't want to give to chance, doubts or maybes that this treaty wouldn't be upheld. I don't think that as a whole I'd want my government in charge of the raising of my kids, when some of these people have made shady and horrible decisions for their own lives as well as our country.

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Re: who likes obama?
« Reply #93 on: August 04, 2009, 12:29:27 pm »
zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.

This logic scares me.  It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people?  A line is to be drawn, for good reason.  If you would like to propose a more capable organization outside of the government that can draw this line, I'm interested to hear about it.

I find it kind of humorous though that people think something passed by the UN is really going to effect them all that much...

What on earth scares you? I don't care what you name your child. If you want to name him Muttley have at it. And your confused, I don't teach my children to hate anyone. Hate is a waste of time, energy and thought process. I want the opportunity to raise my child as I see fit, that means we home school since the schools in my area are a waste of time and they are now getting the education they deserve to go in in life and make a career for themselves.

When someone says "you should be able to raise your child ANY way you want," that's an extremely slippery slope that is guaranteed to lead to trouble.  My example was a simple one, there are many more.

Do you know who Heinrich Himmler was?  Do you not see a problem with a child with this name trying to have any social life at all in or out of school?  What do you think is going to happen when, in history class, the teacher starts lecturing on the Holocaust and discussions on Himmler come up?  Do you think people will look past this kids name?  When this kid goes to get a job, and the person doing the hiring sees his name (hopefully that person isn't a Jew), you don't see a problem?  The child is unfairly, involuntarily given a life of isolation from the majority of society and can't do anything about it until they're 18 (and again, the damage is already done at that point).  It is not the right of a parent to deny their kid a fair shot at a "normal" life.

I didn't assert you teach your kids to hate or that you're not giving them a fair shot.  I was not commenting on you personally, I don't know you.  All I was doing was making the point that it is irrational to make a blanket statement that parents should be allowed to raise their child any way they desire, just because they gave birth to them.  Children have rights in a parent-child relationship, just as parents do.

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Do you even know that signing that treaty would trump all state laws concerning anyone's children? Do you know that this could possibly effect my rights on discipline, education and if we we're religious our religion? This could possibly break up what we know as families today. Don't get me wrong, I think that all children have a basic right to education, good food and free of abuse. However, giving the UN the right to tell our country what to do is irresponsible to our citizens.

I know the UN has rarely done anything to enforce anything they say or pass, and I doubt it will change.

You have every right to your own opinion, however my experiences with having one of "those" names is I live with it every single day, it's a name. It does not make me who I am. I have a job, and I wasn't looked at weird for having "that" name. I think I survived having the a name I was given just fine and I never thought to change it. And if you don't mind my asking what do you define as "normal"? And in all honestly I don't want to give to chance, doubts or maybes that this treaty wouldn't be upheld. I don't think that as a whole I'd want my government in charge of the raising of my kids, when some of these people have made shady and horrible decisions for their own lives as well as our country.

Let me make it clear I don't know much about the treaty, but what you've said so far about it (assuming what you've said is correct), I don't support it and I hardly support anything the UN carries out.

May I ask what your name is?  If you're not comfortable with giving it, is your name also the name of someone very responsible for the slaughtering of over six million Jews, gypsies, and handicapped people?  Himmler was.  It is unjustifiable to name a child after someone with that history.  It is guaranteed to cause problems.

I'm not proposing the government is to raise your children, I'm saying a child has rights in the parent-child relationship just as the parent does.  If the government (legal system) isn't going to uphold that child's rights, and the parent's aren't going to, who is?

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Re: who likes obama?
« Reply #94 on: August 04, 2009, 12:31:24 pm »
I think when Obama became president; black people are acting so rude and think they have power than other people. It doesn't mean I insult them and it was just my experience. Some of them are fine with me.

I had a black lady who was very rude and unhelpful in social security office. The communicate was awful between us. Whatever we were talking about and at the end, she said a BIG "NO" on the paper then wrote on the paper again and said "You are wrong!" I thought it was disrespect for her to say this. She didn't know what I was talking about and said NO, YOU ARE WRONG which she never read through the file of what's going on with my family.  >:(

I think some people are getting worse in this world with no manners.  :BangHead:

So basically since Obama became President you think customer service has gotten rude and unhelpful?

Well.... ::)

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Re: who likes obama?
« Reply #95 on: August 04, 2009, 12:39:52 pm »
only thing I can say is "this is not a free country as it used to be"

Really, please explain.  When was this country free (hint* it wasn't)?

In defense of our County... it has been "free" a long time.  We have the freedom to do so many things that other countries do not.  Our children have the choice of schools and we have our choice of religion and get this guys.... we have the freedom to say what we want on sites like this because our country is Free!!  So many don't have the luxury we do... times are tough, but that doesn't mean we are not a free country!!  Where on earth do you get the idea that it ISN'T free??

 :dontknow:

It is not free from the perspective of the overall principle the country was founded on:  government of the people, by the people, for the people.

Such an idea is a valiant one.  Unfortunately it never happened.

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« Reply #96 on: August 04, 2009, 12:57:43 pm »
well i think hes alrite, so far he hasnt done anything really big, i will love him if he made an immigration reform but dats my opinion. He is cool cuz its a change from Bush  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #97 on: August 04, 2009, 01:16:19 pm »
I think when Obama became president; black people are acting so rude and think they have power than other people. It doesn't mean I insult them and it was just my experience. Some of them are fine with me.

I had a black lady who was very rude and unhelpful in social security office. The communicate was awful between us. Whatever we were talking about and at the end, she said a BIG "NO" on the paper then wrote on the paper again and said "You are wrong!" I thought it was disrespect for her to say this. She didn't know what I was talking about and said NO, YOU ARE WRONG which she never read through the file of what's going on with my family.  >:(

I think some people are getting worse in this world with no manners.  :BangHead:

Wow do some of you people think before you post. This is way too funny.
It seems certain people will blame Obama for anything they don't like or see....no matter how silly it seems.
I'm pretty sure customer service hasn't changed since Obama took office.

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« Reply #98 on: August 04, 2009, 01:18:15 pm »
I don't like him, since he got elected I lost my job and got no rebate like last year, and one was even promised.

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« Reply #99 on: August 04, 2009, 03:45:29 pm »
zoocrewmom, i believe you are correct, obama is not for the people, you should raise your children anyway you would like, and no one should take that right away from you as a parent.

This logic scares me.  It's acceptable to name my child Heinrich Himmler and teach him to despise all non-Aryan people?  A line is to be drawn, for good reason.  If you would like to propose a more capable organization outside of the government that can draw this line, I'm interested to hear about it.

I find it kind of humorous though that people think something passed by the UN is really going to effect them all that much...

What on earth scares you? I don't care what you name your child. If you want to name him Muttley have at it. And your confused, I don't teach my children to hate anyone. Hate is a waste of time, energy and thought process. I want the opportunity to raise my child as I see fit, that means we home school since the schools in my area are a waste of time and they are now getting the education they deserve to go in in life and make a career for themselves.

When someone says "you should be able to raise your child ANY way you want," that's an extremely slippery slope that is guaranteed to lead to trouble.  My example was a simple one, there are many more.

Do you know who Heinrich Himmler was?  Do you not see a problem with a child with this name trying to have any social life at all in or out of school?  What do you think is going to happen when, in history class, the teacher starts lecturing on the Holocaust and discussions on Himmler come up?  Do you think people will look past this kids name?  When this kid goes to get a job, and the person doing the hiring sees his name (hopefully that person isn't a Jew), you don't see a problem?  The child is unfairly, involuntarily given a life of isolation from the majority of society and can't do anything about it until they're 18 (and again, the damage is already done at that point).  It is not the right of a parent to deny their kid a fair shot at a "normal" life.

I didn't assert you teach your kids to hate or that you're not giving them a fair shot.  I was not commenting on you personally, I don't know you.  All I was doing was making the point that it is irrational to make a blanket statement that parents should be allowed to raise their child any way they desire, just because they gave birth to them.  Children have rights in a parent-child relationship, just as parents do.

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Do you even know that signing that treaty would trump all state laws concerning anyone's children? Do you know that this could possibly effect my rights on discipline, education and if we we're religious our religion? This could possibly break up what we know as families today. Don't get me wrong, I think that all children have a basic right to education, good food and free of abuse. However, giving the UN the right to tell our country what to do is irresponsible to our citizens.

I know the UN has rarely done anything to enforce anything they say or pass, and I doubt it will change.

You have every right to your own opinion, however my experiences with having one of "those" names is I live with it every single day, it's a name. It does not make me who I am. I have a job, and I wasn't looked at weird for having "that" name. I think I survived having the a name I was given just fine and I never thought to change it. And if you don't mind my asking what do you define as "normal"? And in all honestly I don't want to give to chance, doubts or maybes that this treaty wouldn't be upheld. I don't think that as a whole I'd want my government in charge of the raising of my kids, when some of these people have made shady and horrible decisions for their own lives as well as our country.

Let me make it clear I don't know much about the treaty, but what you've said so far about it (assuming what you've said is correct), I don't support it and I hardly support anything the UN carries out.

May I ask what your name is?  If you're not comfortable with giving it, is your name also the name of someone very responsible for the slaughtering of over six million Jews, gypsies, and handicapped people?  Himmler was.  It is unjustifiable to name a child after someone with that history.  It is guaranteed to cause problems.

I'm not proposing the government is to raise your children, I'm saying a child has rights in the parent-child relationship just as the parent does.  If the government (legal system) isn't going to uphold that child's rights, and the parent's aren't going to, who is?

No offense, but I don't tell anyone my name on the internet. I'm very private on the internet, I think it's the safe way to go just personally. My name has nothing to do with slaughtering Jews, but why is that such a big thing for you? What if it was a family name and to that family it was an honor being named after their grandfather that was in noway connected to the other Himmler? There are probably a bunch of kids out there that have similar names to well know people, terrorists or otherwise. Should we ban certain names to make other people feel safer or comfortable? There are laws in place at the moment that do protect our children. Not that they are the best but they are there. Here's a link, you may have a different impression than I do, and that's alright it's what makes the world go round. Btw, this is not a referral link of any kind in case anyone wants to know. http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={B56D7393-E583-4658-85E6-C1974B1A57F8} I guess what it boils down for me is I'm not very politically correct.

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Re: who likes obama?
« Reply #100 on: August 07, 2009, 01:02:35 am »
It seems as if no one likes what Obama... :D Why is he President?

Correct!

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« Reply #101 on: August 07, 2009, 01:10:32 am »
There's still 3 1/2 years left regardless.  He said it will take time to fix the nation, and when he said that he also said it would take at least 1 term, if not more.  I am sorry but Obama did not make this country poor, Bush did.  I was laid off from my job 2 weeks after Obama was sworn in.  The economy didnt suddenly tank in 14 days to the point where my company decided to downsize my position - that was a long drawn out plan from the end of the Bush reign.
Hate Obama if you want, it doesnt bother me, but dont put the blame on him when he is trying to fix the nation.  He was the unfortunate elect to a nation on the decline - McCain would be in the same position right now too, just with different programs and ways of attempting to fix the horrible mess the world is in.

You are right, Bush made a mess of everything now Obama's getting blamed, & he is doing his best, like he said it will take time, but he has his own strategies to get things together, let him prove himself, I believe he's done well so far. Bush had all these years creating a mess, it going to take more then a half of a year to fix everything.

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« Reply #102 on: August 07, 2009, 12:58:07 pm »
I like Obama.  People are wanting too much too soon from him.

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« Reply #103 on: August 07, 2009, 11:08:00 pm »
you are my new fav person its hard to find people who dislike obama, i loath him with everything in by body.

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« Reply #104 on: August 07, 2009, 11:11:35 pm »
Its not that i like or dislike him, but he is the president now, and we gotta accept it and do what we can. Hopefully hell be able to pull things through with out screwing up the world ;D

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