Obama and his stand on gay marriage

[grimboots]

There is no reason anyone should oppose gay marriage. =/ If marriage were strictly a religious thing, I would not be married because I do not believe in religion. It's a shame how narrow minded people can be. The time for equality for many of my friends and family members will come, but it is a shame that day is not today. Gay marriage is also not something that should be up to a vote. Civil rights is not something that should be voted on. Would Americans have voted to end slavery during the civil war? Unlikely. Just coexists and love one another - hatred and fear will get us no where. 

[lvstephanie]

It is definitely a political stunt when his position "evolved" into the support he just announced.... He didn't have the guts in the past to come right out and say he supported gay marriage, but rather gave a wishy-washy answer whenever that question was posed to him.

I also think that this is a fairly worthless position for a presidential candidate to have (whatever side of the issue they are on). As mentioned above, this should really be an issue left to the states. The only thing that a president should argue for is that the federal government uphold all decisions made by the states. Thus if a state decide to impart the status of marriage between two gay people or a group of polygamists or whatever, then the federal government should abide by that decision, and impart all benefits at the federal level to that marriage.

Now as we head into the political season, and if this becomes more of an issue among the candidates, remember that this should be purely an issue about the legal term of marriage and the benefits given to people involved in a marriage. This should not be about limiting people's rights to freely associate with whomever they want. This should not be an issue as to the government saying who you can love, have a relationship with, live together with, etc. but rather should be about the legal rights that married couples have like the tax considerations, rights of survivorship, etc. Whether gay relationships should be legal is an issue about people's rights to associate whereas arguments about whether to impart the benefits of marriage to a gay couple is an issue about people's privilege to marry.

[Red02102002]

  To me, that is totally a *bleep* idea. Do you handle all your feelings when you saw your boyfriend with a man who doing something as he did with you? I will say my boyfriend, or my fiance, or my husband is a normal man, including mental and physical, he is a perfect without even a doubt. What is the hell you have done to him? He all the time has gone through with me till supreme of happiness and satisfaction. I have no doubt at all about his family tree and historical gene, even his family's life conditions. From the past till now, and in the future, there is no way he need others, even a man.

[momoney555]

I think President Obama was speaking from the heart when he stood up in support of gay marriage.  He stood up in the same way that John F Kennedy did against segregation and Jim Crow practices in America in the 60's.  Someone had to take a stand against what is happening to people in the Gay community.  Gay youths are being bullied to the point of committing suicide far too much.  Gay married couples aren't getting divorced at a faster rate than they are getting married.  They are not abusing and murdering their partners at the rate straight people are.  How hypocritical!  I think Americans have seen so much hypocrisy in government leaders in the past until they wouldn't even be able to recognize a leader who really truly cares about bettering the lives of  ALL Americans.  Maybe a better choice to lead the country would be Mitt Romney ,who reportedly brutally harassed his Gay classmate when he was a teen. I am a christian and straight but I cant agree with the treatment Gay people have to endure in this country. I don't think Jesus would either.

[albefish]

It just shows what a politician will do for a vote. 

[plennis]

    :male:I have never found a place in the bible where we are told to judge how others live their lives or that says no gay marraige.  If you don't like gay marriage, then don't marry a gay person, but we should not be denying an entire group of people basic civil rights.

[jaymz462]

Of course it's political- he's a politician.  But, he said the right thing.  Kudos to the pres on this one.

[Abrupt]

    :male:I have never found a place in the bible where we are told to judge how others live their lives or that says no gay marraige.  If you don't like gay marriage, then don't marry a gay person, but we should not be denying an entire group of people basic civil rights.

Marriage is not a civil right, it is a privilege.  Also, can I get all beef vegetarian dishes?

[scorpio77]

I believe also what the bible says God is against gay marriage truly we are to love everyone but sin is sin and two women or two men in trying to marry each other will be judged when the time comes.  Yes Obama i believe may was  trying to get more votes or was told to say this who knows only the ones that was there.  I myself love everyone whether I know you or not whether race or religion or not I LOVE EVERYONE and I hope no one takes anything people say to the     

[falcon9]

    :male:I have never found a place in the bible where we are told to judge how others live their lives or that says no gay marraige.  If you don't like gay marriage, then don't marry a gay person, but we should not be denying an entire group of people basic civil rights.

Marriage is not a civil right, it is a privilege.

This might be an extrapolation in an unforseen direction however, it could be that the "civil rights" portion doesn't necessarily refer to getting married but, to such 'rights and privileges as accrue to a being married', (like tax and other federal benefits not covered by either "domestic partnerships" or "civil unions")?
 

Also, can I get all beef vegetarian dishes?

"We've got SPAM, SPAM, sausage, SPAM, eggs, SPAM, SPAM and SPAM.
-'Have you got anything without SPAM in it?'
"Well, we've got SPAM, biscuits, SPAM, toast and SPAM.  That hasn't got much SPAM in it." - from Monty Python

[Snoozey]

If you don't believe that gay people should be allowed to get married, then you don't truly believe in freedom. Go live somewhere else. 

[falcon9]

I believe also what the bible says God is against gay marriage truly we are to love everyone but sin is sin and two women or two men in trying to marry each other will be judged when the time comes. 

Or, not "judged" if your belief is in error, (despite your presumed belief that it isn't, others presume no such thing).  Further, such remarks about 'not judging' are hypocritically judgemental in a passive-aggressive way. That's alright though, everyone "judges" - including the ones who proclaim that they don't. Whether such "judgements" are accurate or not is a whole different matter.

[JediJohnnie]

    :male:I have never found a place in the bible where we are told to judge how others live their lives or that says no gay marraige.  If you don't like gay marriage, then don't marry a gay person, but we should not be denying an entire group of people basic civil rights.

Honestly,have you ever read the Bible?

Leviticus 18:22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

Romans 1:26-27 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Jude 1:7 "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Do I really need to go on?

[falcon9]

Leviticus 18:22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

Romans 1:26-27 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Jude 1:7 "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Do I really need to go on?

Nope, you've managed to portray your hypothetical 'deity' as a vengerful homophobe sufficiently enough to wonder about you.

[lbryanwf]

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a firm stand either way. I know a good number of my gay friends, male and female that are in high positions professionally that they obtained through competency (not affirmative action). In fact as far as ones livliehood, and also housing  it is illegal to discriminate based on sexual preference along with other protected groups. Also many private and government agencies have instituted "domestic partner" benefits..health dental vision, etc. So it's not like gays are totally without rights. As a nation we are growing in tolerance for gays and other once taboo things like interracial marriage. I too agree that people have the right love, be with, sleep with etc whoever they wish. But the topic of marriage between same sex couples is still a hot button topic, although there are  6 states that allow it. and anyone can go to that state to marry. So no one should act like gays cannot be married..they can! The problem is, that under educated or shallow thinking people won't have the mental capacity to look deeper and understand that gays are NOT TOTALLY PROHIBITED from marriage. Those types (and some who have commented on this post) will jump on this as "Oh this poor minority group is oppressed, and can't have the same rights as others" Why people will do this without looking deeper I have no clue!!!
That being said, it makes no sense for a President to come out in favor of anything he as no control over.. It's phony, and the timing makes it suspicious, especially since he has always been wishy washy on the subject when asked in the past.
This coming from a man who once made the comment "I wouldn't want my daughter "punished" with a baby.  This statement was made during a campaign event where he was discussing sex education, (which includes information on family planning birth control, abortion and STD prevention) stating that "it makes sense to give them "information." So then once you have an accidental pregnancy, and  from a sex education perspective, what information would you have been given that would permanently eliminate this "punishment" that you face? Not hard to connect those dots!! I guess it didn't matter that the "punishment" would be his grandchild!.. That's when I knew he was slime and lost all respect for him. This  was said while he was running for president. Since then, I've never put faith in a single thing he said. His current comment is no exception