I will make a strong claim on the events surrounding the crucifixion. They didn't happen. I'm not sure you'll read the support for this, so I'll wait until you or someone else asks before I bother with it.
Yeah, go ahead and post it up.
I am going to be on the road for a few days but I'll look at it as soon as I get a chance and that is just the kind of information that others need to see.
"One of the most significant details is that crucifixion wasn't a typical practice at all. It was reserved for state criminals - traitors and the like, and leaders of rebellions. Now, the common reading of Christian doctrine would have us believe that Jesus was executed for being a rebel leader... but there's a lot wrong with the story in the Bible.
Where to start? How about with how he was charged? The story is that the Jewish religious leaders arrested him and charged him with... stupid charges, really... and then presented him before Pilate (or Caesar) who bent to the pressure of the Jewish religious leaders to have him executed. Excuse me? Let me tell you what would have really happened if the Jewish religious leadership in Jerusalem had brought a man before Pilate and demanded that he execute him: Pilate would have summarily ordered the execution of every single one of the Jewish leaders if they didn't shut the hell up and get out of his damn face. Yes, that's the kind of guy Pilate was. He had little or no respect for the Jews or their religious nonsense. He stole temple relics and and sold them for extra cash, and he had crowds of Jewish protesters beaten to a pulp for complaining about it. In fact, he was so ruthless to the locals that he was eventually recalled to Rome. And this man supposedly sat back and let a bunch of Jewish religious leaders dictate policy to him? Not likely. If Pilate wanted Jesus executed so publicly - by crucifixion - Jesus would have had to have been some kind of embarrassment to Rome or Pilate's authority (pretty much the same thing, in his eyes). Pissing off the Jewish authorities doesn't count. If that was his crime, and Pilate felt like placating them and having Jesus executed, he could have just took his head off right then and there.
What next? The fact that there were supposedly spectators to the crucifixion? Not *bleep* likely. Crucifixion was a punishment reserved for leaders of rebellions. Yeah, right, let's let a crowd gather around the execution site of a rebel leader - what's the chance that they'll be rebels and try to save him, right? (Incidentally, thieves were not crucified. This is well-accepted historical fact of the Romans, so it raises questions about who his "neighbors" were.)
And then... they let his followers take the body?!?! Give me a break. People who were crucified were taken down from the cross by soldiers and thrown into a pit with other bodies - a guarded pit - and then the pit was set alight. These were Romans, man. When it came to killing people, they didn't screw around. There is no way he could have survived the crucifixion.
The whole affair as described in the gospels is carefully crafted to throw blame on the Jews while making it (barely) historically acceptable and satisfying the necessary prophesies. It's so blatantly an invention for the sake of being a good yarn that there is no way to believe it is a reasonable approximation of something that actually happened. If Jesus existed, he most likely wasn't crucified (in order to earn that honor, he would have had to have led an armed revolt against the Roman leadership)."
You do know Some Jewish people do not believe the Messiah has come yet. They don't believe Jesus was the Messiah.
err yes, I'm fully aware of this, and I would venture to say it's a lot more than "some" Jews who feel this way. More like all of them. I don't know what relevance it has to what I posted.
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