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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2010, 07:41:44 pm »
(edit: Just reread this and doesn't sound right to say I am 'wiser', so scratch that and just keep the older part.  :thumbsup:)

Aww, thanks.  Yes, some of us young ones are "old souls"...without the souls.  ;)
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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2010, 09:46:39 pm »
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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2010, 05:08:50 am »
Wow.  This topic blew up like Kirstie Alley at a buffet.  :o

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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2010, 07:43:24 am »
Wow.  This topic blew up like Kirstie Alley at a buffet.  :o

lol  Don't worry; it can be redeemed...we just have to pray ta Jesus.
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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2010, 11:13:05 pm »
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What caused the boom? And if so, as I said what caused that which caused the boom? Even the boom had to have a beginning or it can't be possible. So if it is possible that means that it would have to had a cause. Where did the cause of the boom come from? I am not trying to prove creation here folks. I am only stating that you are saying that there was just nothingness, and one day in the expanse of time, something came from nothing.
The problem with this, is that you are starting off with a false premise. This would be analogous to me saying, "The Biblical creation is obviously untrue, as there is no giant panda who whittled the Earth from a tree". Well, no Creationist says this. No scientist says something came from nothing. Your concept of nothing came from the Bible. And you're projecting it onto science and asking them to explain something they don't say. They say that there is no such thing as "nothing". Nothingness is an abstract concept(as is "something"). Scientist state that both energy and matter have always existed and that there is no "nothingness". It's a human invented philosophical tool used to describe a percieved lack of "something".

Tl;dr
So something didn't come from nothing. There was always something.

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Energy can not produce more energy than it consumes
The universe isn't running out of energy. The same amount exists now as always. There is a small loss of energy to black holes. The energy still exists, it's just no longer availible so to speak in our universe for the moment. When the next big bang happens, all of the energy will be released again.

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The latest version of the big bang is that the universe is expanding every day. Well how in the world does such a huge explosion in a place where there is constant speed from an objects movement, seem to be moving our universe apart at such a slow rate. An explosion that powerful would obviously have already moved our solar system out of its alignment by now, seeing as how its been millions of years. Explain the constant order of our solar system throughout recorded history if we are supposedly moving in an ever widening, chaotic, pattern. Shouldn't our solar system be scattered to the for winds of the universe by now?
You seem to misunderstand gravity. Our "solar sysytem" isn't an entitty. It's defined by the planets within and their location near the sun. Our sun IS moving at a different speed in proportion to the rest of the galaxy and indeed the entire universe. The planets stay near the Sun due to it's gravitational pull.
What causes gravity in the first place is that larger bodies don't move as quickly through space. This draws smaller bodies to them.

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The father of evolution himself said in disappointment at the end of his "origin of species" that it required more faith to believe his theory of evolution than it did to believe in divine intervention,
No he didn't. This is a common fabrication by creationist groups. They also say that Darwin recanted on his death bed. He did not. His family confirms this.

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If it is true, what are we here for, and what is your purpose in life but to be born and to die. A persons life basically has no meaning.
If you care so little for your friends, your wife, your children that life would become hollow for you without God, then that is truly tragic.

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But what if I am right and you are the one who is wrong? Where does that leave you?
In the same place it leaves you if Prophet Mohammed was right and Moses/Jesus/Paul were wrong.

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I am simply asking for someone to please prove to me that evolution is true.
What specific thing would you need to prove this? If you need a detailed fossil record, I will provide it. If you want the big bang proved, that's not Evolution. Nor is abiogenesis.

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"Hypothesis", by the way, is merely a fancier way to say "theory".
Gravity is a theory. The theory of atomic matter, used to create the nuclear bombs we deployed in Japan is still a theory. It's both a theory and a fact. Anything that cannot be a law, is a theory. Evolution is too broad to be a law. Just like the atomic theory of matter, and the theory of gravity, evolution is both theory and fact.

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Science has proven nothing concerning the big bang, OR macroevolution! It has only "hypothesized."
Macro ecolution is simply microevoultion over a long period of time.
To explain macro evolution cosider the following.

Open up a paint program. Set to 255 red and 0 blue and 0 green.
Now, take 1 away from red and add 1 to blue. It's now 254 red and 1 blue.
Keep doing this.
At what point does it stop being "red" and become "purple".
The answer is, there is no specific point. It just slowly changes.

Just like how a small tree dwelling dinosaur slowly grows feathers and slowly gains an abilty to fly. At what point did they become "birds". There's not a specifc day when they became birds. Every millennia they just became a little more bird like.
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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2010, 11:14:49 pm »
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Now runs away before Falconor and his gang throws stones at me.

Gang? They're just free-minded people that have parallel reasonings. There's no gang.

What do you think about "Evilution", despite the overwhelming viewable evidence of certain types of it found in nature?

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man_05.html

DARWINISM REFUTED FOREVER  ;D

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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2010, 08:42:08 am »
If you care so little for your friends, your wife, your children that life would become hollow for you without God, then that is truly tragic.

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In the same place it leaves you if Prophet Mohammed was right and Moses/Jesus/Paul were wrong.

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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2010, 09:14:16 am »
Evolution is Amazing!!!!!! Wouldn't be here without it!!!!! :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :wave:
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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2010, 09:17:28 am »
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DARWINISM REFUTED FOREVER  

This isn't an explanation. And I doubt you are incapable of explaning why evolution is wrong when you've called it "evilution" in the past. If you're just going to throw links at us without properly explaining it, go post on a lesser topic that does not require it.

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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #69 on: May 14, 2010, 10:13:10 am »
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DARWINISM REFUTED FOREVER  

This isn't an explanation. And I doubt you are incapable of explaning why evolution is wrong when you've called it "evilution" in the past. If you're just going to throw links at us without properly explaining it, go post on a lesser topic that does not require it.
Heeeeeyyy, isn't this the same guy who referenced Biggie Smalls death in one of his religious debate post?????   :angry7: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2010, 11:51:41 am »


http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man_05.html

DARWINISM REFUTED FOREVER  ;D
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Is this supposed to be more convincing than any other site out there?  I can start a site saying that we are the descendants of fish people from Atlantis.  I can list all the things I consider to be evidence supporting my theory.  That will not make it true. 

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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2010, 08:48:18 pm »
Oh btw Rastov, excellent excellent excellent post. A pleasure to read. Loved the paint example.

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Heeeeeyyy, isn't this the same guy who referenced Biggie Smalls death in one of his religious debate post??

I guess so!

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I can start a site saying that we are the descendants of fish people from Atlantis.  I can list all the things I consider to be evidence supporting my theory.  That will not make it true. 

DON'T TRASH MY BELIEFS! I can prove you speak the truth of my fishlord. Here, turn to Salmon chapter 12:36 "Do unto not the fish as to that would be the fishstick to you." that further proves I'm right when we turn to chapter Sardine 23:12 where it points out that "(you) must be quick to create crazy examples to lose your opponents in thought. Be like the octopus that plays the drums.". If you don't agree with me, I will pray that in your next aquatic life that the fishlord does not immediatly slaughter and can you on a grocery store shelf.

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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #72 on: May 15, 2010, 05:25:07 am »
DON'T TRASH MY BELIEFS! I can prove you speak the truth of my fishlord. Here, turn to Salmon chapter 12:36 "Do unto not the fish as to that would be the fishstick to you." that further proves I'm right when we turn to chapter Sardine 23:12 where it points out that "(you) must be quick to create crazy examples to lose your opponents in thought. Be like the octopus that plays the drums.". If you don't agree with me, I will pray that in your next aquatic life that the fishlord does not immediatly slaughter and can you on a grocery store shelf.

Hahaha.  So that's why god is the Alpha and the Omega-3!
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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2010, 05:58:01 am »
DON'T TRASH MY BELIEFS! I can prove you speak the truth of my fishlord. Here, turn to Salmon chapter 12:36 "Do unto not the fish as to that would be the fishstick to you." that further proves I'm right when we turn to chapter Sardine 23:12 where it points out that "(you) must be quick to create crazy examples to lose your opponents in thought. Be like the octopus that plays the drums.". If you don't agree with me, I will pray that in your next aquatic life that the fishlord does not immediatly slaughter and can you on a grocery store shelf.

Cthulhu would totally pwn your fishlord.

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Re: Define Evolution
« Reply #74 on: June 18, 2010, 06:04:01 am »
Evolution is what people believe in when they don't believe in God.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.  Evolution is a scientific FACT, sorry.  And it doesn't necessarily have a correlation with disbelief in god because many Christians "believe" in it.
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