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ButterflyWings

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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #75 on: August 23, 2010, 09:30:33 am »
Awesome topic Queen..

I would have to say I am open either way if not it would not affect me one ounce if so same thing..I live life by my own code and heart..I open my mind and heart to all stances on the subject..

But in the end it is what I want..What feels right to me..I like to question it..Analyze it..But follow is just not me..Fear,cult like or unanswered does not fit in my life...

Fairytales are nice to have hope and belief in but...substance and thought provoking is more fulfilling..I don't really enjoy religion sorry but over my 35 years on this earth I have saw how ugly it can be because of humans..I stand un-labeled learning all about all..

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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #76 on: August 23, 2010, 01:02:31 pm »
1) How would you feel? (depressed, neutral, relieved, etc.)

You know, I don't think it would change all that much for me.  I don't believe the bible is an accurate history of what has happened.  To me, the bible is a book written by flawed men in order to teach morality, kind of like Aesop's fables.  This belief is what keeps me grounded when I start to wonder if there really was a flood or something else to the like.

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2) How do you think it might change your life?

It wouldn't, really.  Honestly.  My morality wouldn't change; my goal of heaven on earth wouldn't change.  This life is the only one we know we have.  If there is something else to come, that's effin awesome.  If there isn't, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment.  I'm living this life to the fullest.  And if the only thing I'm doing wrong is loving g-d, then I guess I didn't really make that monumental of a mistake.  ;)



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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2010, 09:24:37 am »
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Hypothetically, if it could be proven to you that god doesn't exist and you now had to accept this, that there is nothing after you die, and if most of your church withdrew their positions of belief in light of scientific evidence:
1) How would you feel? (depressed, neutral, relieved, etc.)
2) How do you think it might change your life?
Basically, no matter the amount of faith you have right now, I want to get you thinking about the alternative if god didn't exist and have some honest answers because it is something I am curious about and think is healthy for people to ponder about.  Would it really be that bad for you if you learned there was no god (that they were all invented by man)?  Again, hypothetically
    Hypothetically, if it could actually be proven that God doesn't exist (hypothetically, because it hasn't been proven) and I had to accept that....I would be totally fine with the thought that there is nothing after death.  The churches could withdraw their positions, and it wouldn't affect me as I never put my "faith" in them anyway.  How would I feel?  I would feel relieved that I didn't have to worry about the final destination of my non-believing friends...I would hug them and say "whew, did you luck out"!  All that time spent in prayer for them, well lottsa free time now.   How would it change my life?  If there is no God then there could be no Satan...but I can take a look around me (not literally "around me", I have a restraining order :)) and see that's not true, so I really don't know.   :dontknow:  A person can certainly live without God, they can also die without God... something I can't recommend until there is 125% proof that God does not exist.
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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2010, 09:54:51 am »
I would feel relieved that I didn't have to worry about the final destination of my non-believing friends...I would hug them and say "whew, did you luck out"!

LOL...you know people like to throw around Pascal's Wager a lot, not realizing it only accounts for Christianity as being the right one.  If the Muslims end up being correct, a Christian and an atheist are in the same boat!!   ;D
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2010, 10:00:02 am »
I would feel relieved that I didn't have to worry about the final destination of my non-believing friends...I would hug them and say "whew, did you luck out"!

LOL...you know people like to throw around Pascal's Wager a lot, not realizing it only accounts for Christianity as being the right one.  If the Muslims end up being correct, a Christian and an atheist are in the same boat!!   ;D
  If that happens, there's no other group (atheists) I would want in my boat.  (If that christian/atheist boat is going DOWN...I'm not going to be listening to christians judging who's making it sink the quickest.) :thumbsup:

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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2010, 10:11:21 am »
oops, didn't mean to give the impression to any Christian reading above that ALL Christians are like that....but come in, I KNOW you know some like that...they can't ALL be in just my location.

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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #81 on: August 30, 2010, 10:47:42 am »
I would feel relieved that I didn't have to worry about the final destination of my non-believing friends...I would hug them and say "whew, did you luck out"!

LOL...you know people like to throw around Pascal's Wager a lot, not realizing it only accounts for Christianity as being the right one.  If the Muslims end up being correct, a Christian and an atheist are in the same boat!!   ;D
  If that happens, there's no other group (atheists) I would want in my boat.  (If that christian/atheist boat is going DOWN...I'm not going to be listening to christians judging who's making it sink the quickest.) :thumbsup:

Very funny from both of you, needed a laugh, thanks! :D ;) Love the "who's making it sink the quickest!"
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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2010, 02:28:28 pm »
I would feel relieved that I didn't have to worry about the final destination of my non-believing friends...I would hug them and say "whew, did you luck out"!

LOL...you know people like to throw around Pascal's Wager a lot, not realizing it only accounts for Christianity as being the right one.  If the Muslims end up being correct, a Christian and an atheist are in the same boat!!   ;D
  If that happens, there's no other group (atheists) I would want in my boat.  (If that christian/atheist boat is going DOWN...I'm not going to be listening to christians judging who's making it sink the quickest.) :thumbsup:
Who's judging now?

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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2010, 03:32:52 pm »
jcribb,
I took both of those replies as lighthearted silliness. After all, Sheryl does believe in god, so why is that judgemental?
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2010, 03:33:32 pm »
Who's judging now?
 I wasn't judging.  I DID post that I wasn't including ALL Christians in that former post.   If that remark had been aimed at ALL Christians, THEN it would have been a judgmental remark.  (See, I have a serious problem with a "Christian" that tells me I'm going to hell because I wear jeans, they show me Bible verses that is supposed to "prove" their claim.  Later,  I find them in a local store wearing...jeans!)  That's just one example, there's so many more.  If Christians AND Atheists end up both being wrong,  I would think if I was in a boat then and it was going to hell...I should at least get to choose my "boat buddies".  I was being honest in who I would choose and why (and I should have known that just as sure as hell is hot, I could go to hell in that situation and still not be away from those judgmental christians ;D).   *There's too many Christians that like to pass judgment on me in my life (not so much on-line) and so pardon my "rants".  I had let the frustration build up to the boiling point.  I saw Sherna's "mercy" video and realized I just need to pray, forgive and let it go.  I'm trying...it's getting better. :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: August 30, 2010, 03:45:59 pm by SherylsShado »

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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #85 on: August 30, 2010, 04:46:28 pm »
same here, sheryl. after amy's last thread, that has now been locked, there was a lot of frustration built up and carried over.  I apologize.  :thumbsup: :heart:

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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #86 on: August 30, 2010, 07:09:01 pm »
God is in possession of a cloaking device.
God is a Klingon.

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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #87 on: August 30, 2010, 08:43:31 pm »
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God is in possession of a cloaking device.
God is a Klingon.

GOD HAS DEFECTIVE PLASMA COILS! HE IS NOT PERFECT!

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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2010, 09:27:47 am »
same here, sheryl. after amy's last thread, that has now been locked, there was a lot of frustration built up and carried over.  I apologize.  :thumbsup: :heart:
   :wave:    absolutely no apology was even needed from you, I'm sorry...I didn't mean to make it sound like an apology was needed.  When I think of those "christians" who I consider annoyingly judgmental, you WOULD NOT have made the group along with several other Christians on FC.  I "forgot" about the FC christians and was filling my boat with non-believers based on thinking only of my "actual church-going buddies" in mind, shame I know but I was steaming mad at the time.   (In other words, you'd make an excellent "boat buddy" lol).     I really wonder how heaven can be peaceful if  "annoyingly judgmental Christians" are allowed in, is God going to "duct tape" their mouths shut or  what?  :-X   I've known many of them for awhile and they just get worse & worse.  They are serious with their "Bible based" claims which seem absurd to me so I do make jokes at them and then they say things like I am "winking at sin" which is of course is a "great sin" you know...  and they'll tell me to "just keep hanging around with my satanic friends and see where I end up".  I don't consider my friends to be literally "satanic" just because they aren't "christian".  There isn't one actual "satanist" in the group as far as I know.  I also don't spend huge amounts of time with them (too busy) or go to places with them that would damage my witness (I don't care to go where God wouldn't want me to go anyway).   I've been to multiple churches and it doesn't help.  I'm not sure if this is what "religion" does to alot of people or what.  They remind me of a kid that gets to play "hall monitor" and the power goes to their head, they're trying to be the ones that say whose "heaven pass" is valid and whose is not according to their "cliquish" rules and twisting of the school policy handbook.   God's going to have to deal with them... I can't.   (If God needs a volunteer in heaven to help pass the duct-tape though, I am TOTALLY vounteering for that job!!)   :thumbsup:

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Re: Serious questions for believers
« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2010, 12:52:58 pm »
 :cat:  Thank you, Sheryl, for all that.  You are absolutely right.  I have Christian friends so totally involved in the Lord, and then some that are only partially involved.  I have many friends that are not Christians, and we happen to be good friends.  I'll have to keep the duct tape in mind, for possible future use!!! lol!!

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