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Killing in the name of......
« on: October 12, 2010, 12:54:23 pm »
-Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12
-"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13
-A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27
-If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10
-They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13
-But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.  (Deuteronomy  22:20-21
-The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever.  It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.  Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.  Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.  Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest.  I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'  (Exodus 31:12-15
-Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.  (Jeremiah 48:10
-All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense.  (Leviticus 20:9
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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2010, 02:51:31 pm »
I don't know enough to dispute these or even give any kind of interpretation... but would definitely love to hear what some think or know or how they'd interpret them.
That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2010, 03:06:06 pm »
Those come from the Old Testament under the old law.  After Jesus came, died, and was resurrected, the New Testament became the guidance.  You should also study the New Testament in comparison.

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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2010, 04:10:48 pm »
I found many many sources which satisfactorily explain and interpret hard to understand or seemingly harsh old testament scriptures. I researched and compared resources, prayed, talked to God about the things I read and came away satisfied with the answers I received.

I don't think this is a search for answers but a reason to argue God's Word. When you are truly interested in answers, you won't be posting your questions on a random forum; but will be doing your own research into educated and qualified bible scholars materials.


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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2010, 04:22:24 pm »
I don't think this is a search for answers but a reason to argue God's Word. When you are truly interested in answers, you won't be posting your questions on a random forum; but will be doing your own research into educated and qualified bible scholars materials.
It is a search for answers, i'm not blatenly trying to argue the men-who-wrote-the-bible's word and this isn't a random forum. it's the only one i use because i like the intelligent people here. the rest of the forums are people talking *bleep* back and forth with 'yo mama' jokes and the like, not holding a real debate. Ive done a LOT of research, by the way.
Those come from the Old Testament under the old law.  After Jesus came, died, and was resurrected, the New Testament became the guidance.  You should also study the New Testament in comparison.
so the old testament isn't god's word? or god realized it was wrong to kill milions of people?
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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2010, 04:57:59 pm »
I suggest two things...first, don't read a single line by itself, but the surrounding scripture.  Read different translations.  Decide for yourself.  I believe Sodom and Gomorrah was mis-interpreted because people haven't taken the time to read the entirety of the story, read the different translations, and think critically about it.  I hold nothing against those who study and interpret it differently than I do, though.

Also, I really like the website http://www.religioustolerance.org  It gives non-traditional and traditional interpretation of scripture.  Again, read it and decide for yourself.

If I thought you were really interested and had really read the scripture, I would delve into it with you, but I don't think you are.



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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2010, 05:03:03 pm »
honestly, i haven't read the entire bible. i'm going to start tonight, i was going to earlier, but i had an unexpected job interview. As i read i will reflect in this forum. i'll tart a new topic on it when i start.
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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2010, 05:52:03 pm »
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i'm not blatenly trying to argue the men-who-wrote-the-bible's word

Substituting my God's Word phrase for this one only shows your stubborn stance that the bible is everything you have previously stated. IF you are really going to read the bible and you are doing it with a sincere interest in finding out more about God then I suggest before you open it, you ask God to help you understand. Also use the resources available on Christian apologetics websites and online concordances. The apologetics websites will help you understand the historical time periods, and the concordances help with correct word translations.

I prayed for you last night and I will continue to do so because I see you are struggling in understanding, but I personally can't give you all the answers and no Christian here can. Every man must work out his own salvation and as a person grows spiritually their beliefs become more personal to them.

My walk with God is totally different than jcribbs or Annellas or Amy's. My convictions are different. It doesn't make me right and them wrong or vice versa...it mean's God has convicted me of something personally and it has nothing to do with them.

For example: My pastor and his wife do not wear jewelry, she doesn't wear make-up or pants, he doesn't grow a beard or grow his hair long.
I wear pants, make-up and jewelry and my husband has a goatee and up until recently had hair long enough to put in a rubber band.

Neither of us wrong, it's about our own personal place in spiritual growth.

I will continue to pray for you though that God give you revelation as you read the bible and also that His Holy Spirit reveal Himself to you. Would you mind if I prayed for you by name? It's okay if you don't, I can pray for you by your screen name; God will know who I'm talking about  :)


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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2010, 05:57:40 pm »
Quote from: jcribb16 on Today at 03:06:06 pm
Those come from the Old Testament under the old law.  After Jesus came, died, and was resurrected, the New Testament became the guidance.  You should also study the New Testament in comparison.

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so the old testament isn't god's word? or god realized it was wrong to kill milions of people?

No one said that, 502.  The Old Testament was under the old law as I said.  Jesus's birth, death, burial, and resurrection was/were the change of the old law.  If you would study the New Testament, including Jesus's words (usually typed in red), then it will help you understand more the whole picture.
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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2010, 06:11:34 pm »
sherna, (and anyone else who wants to know), my name in "real life" is chase. not that this site isn't part of real life.
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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2010, 06:27:30 pm »
sherna, (and anyone else who wants to know), my name in "real life" is chase. not that this site isn't part of real life.

:heart: your name.
thanks!
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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2010, 06:29:33 pm »
-Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12
The judges or priests are representatives of God's authority and to reject their decision was to reject God. Putting a person to death that was willfully disobedient to God's representatives was necessary to keep Israel from being contaminated by law breakers.

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-"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13
There are different interpretations as to what kind of homosexual behavior this is referring to. Liberal Christians believe it refers to homosexual prostitution. The National Gay Pentecostal Alliance believes it is interpreted to mean that if two men lie together as with a woman in a woman's bed then it is an abomination.

As for being put to death. You have to remember that the OT scriptures were a covenant between man and God. The law that God gave them served as a civil state. There were crimes and there were punishment and these laws were meant to set them apart from all other nations.

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-A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27
Mediums were, and still are believed by many Christians, to be communicating with the devil. In the bible there is no such thing as pergutory and once your spirit has left your body it does not inhabit the earth any longer. There is no communicating with the dead and a person who dabbled with such things were dealing with witchcraft.

With that in mind, once again...there was a crime committed and a punishment for the crime.
 
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-If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10
I'm assuming your issue here is the seeming harshness of being put to death. Although the wife of the adulterous man might not think it very harsh lol.

As a whole the law in the OT was very strict, God's law was the law by which the Israelites were to live and function in their daily lives. The law does seem harsh by today's standards but these were a people set apart for a higher purpose. They time and time again failed to hold up to God's standards and even then God showed his mercy. David, whom the bible refers to being a man after God's own heart, was an adulterer and a murderer. Yet he loved God. Him being a man after God's own heart meant that he sought God in his life constantly. He messed up as every human being does but God still blessed him, he punished his bad behavior but he loved and blessed him because of his heart.

When you are reading the bible, why don't you try to see God's mercy to his people when they broke those laws. Look at the people that God chose to use to make a difference. Look at how God was preparing people to see the need for grace in the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.

Chase....yes I like that name too!


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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2010, 06:32:25 pm »
You are on the right track with this thread here Lil Bro, now just look and see how many of the acts actually being carried out, its simply amazing especially when a vast number of such acts have occured in very modern times and in fact are still happening all over the globe.

Question.....the last 518 would certainly fall within the time frame of the New Testament, right?

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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2010, 06:41:57 pm »
marie you can post as many bs guys as you want, this is the reason mediums and the like were not tolerated in the bible.


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Re: Killing in the name of......
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2010, 07:06:51 pm »
was that really necessary marie?
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