Coincidence or answered prayer?

[hitch0403]

What ingredients have u been using baking that bread?

Pardon my humor.Let me quickly just address a few things u just said.

Jesus always referred to the bible.He said on many occasions how the scriptures needed to be fulfilled.In an example he referred to Noahs day and the flood.I dont feel like writing a book now.

Also re slavery...man created it...God regulated it in a just way.You sound like ur blaming God for bringing sin into the world.This is where u puzzle me.You say u support bible and the few things i just mention you dont have a clue.

God tries no one with evil.

. Proverbs 19:3 realistically describes the situation: “It is the foolishness of an earthling man that distorts his way, and so his heart becomes enraged against Jehovah himself.”

That scripture is EZ to understand.A man loses his rent money in a casino and then blames God.I guess being described as foolish fits pretty well....eh?

Also...when Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of this world to Pilate he meant his government that his father enthroned him as king of it.NOT everyone will be allowed in.The road is narrow.Many prefer their ungodly ways and support the devil.

https://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipes/walter-sands-basic-white-bread-recipe

Thanx Paints but i leaving the baking and cooking up to my wife.She actually wanted to bake Easter bread when we have a bakery 5 minutes from us that make it outstanding.You should look up the recipe for that.It is quite good

Watch some idiot say ur a hipocrite for eating Easter bread.LOL!!I gues if i eat a candy cane around Xmas im a hypocrite too...LOL!!

I make tips on Xmas for my job.I dont accept them cos its Jesus birthday.....i accept them as gratitude for me doing my job from the people i work for.

[paints]

Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”​—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.

Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told  Eve she would be better off doing?

Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.

"Choose you this day who you will serve."  Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...

Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.

Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.

Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.

Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.

Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible.  You said that.  I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.

You pound us with scripture to support your point of view.  Do you think we learn from that?

The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book. 

Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.

I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.

It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.

Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!

A weapon!!!LOL!!!

20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.

Jesus didn't have the bible. 

The bible is a crutch.  We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages.  We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war.  We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized. 

God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him.  The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom.  The gates are open to any who will come. 

At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.

I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.

What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.

Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.

I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification.  There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.

Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men." 

He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. 

You don't need a book to do that.

[paints]

What ingredients have u been using baking that bread?

Pardon my humor.Let me quickly just address a few things u just said.

Jesus always referred to the bible.He said on many occasions how the scriptures needed to be fulfilled.In an example he referred to Noahs day and the flood.I dont feel like writing a book now.

Also re slavery...man created it...God regulated it in a just way.You sound like ur blaming God for bringing sin into the world.This is where u puzzle me.You say u support bible and the few things i just mention you dont have a clue.

God tries no one with evil.

. Proverbs 19:3 realistically describes the situation: “It is the foolishness of an earthling man that distorts his way, and so his heart becomes enraged against Jehovah himself.”

That scripture is EZ to understand.A man loses his rent money in a casino and then blames God.I guess being described as foolish fits pretty well....eh?

Also...when Jesus said his kingdom was NO part of this world to Pilate he meant his government that his father enthroned him as king of it.NOT everyone will be allowed in.The road is narrow.Many prefer their ungodly ways and support the devil.

https://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipes/walter-sands-basic-white-bread-recipe

Thanx Paints but i leaving the baking and cooking up to my wife.She actually wanted to bake Easter bread when we have a bakery 5 minutes from us that make it outstanding.You should look up the recipe for that.It is quite good

Watch some idiot say ur a hipocrite for eating Easter bread.LOL!!I gues if i eat a candy cane around Xmas im a hypocrite too...LOL!!

I make tips on Xmas for my job.I dont accept them cos its Jesus birthday.....i accept them as gratitude for me doing my job from the people i work for.

Well you did ask...

[hitch0403]

Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”​—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.

Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told  Eve she would be better off doing?

Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.

"Choose you this day who you will serve."  Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...

Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.

Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.

Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.

Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.

Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible.  You said that.  I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.

You pound us with scripture to support your point of view.  Do you think we learn from that?

The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book. 

Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.

I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.

It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.

Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!

A weapon!!!LOL!!!

20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.

Jesus didn't have the bible. 

The bible is a crutch.  We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages.  We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war.  We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized. 

God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him.  The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom.  The gates are open to any who will come. 

At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.

I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.

What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.

Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.

I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification.  There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.

Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men." 

He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. 

You don't need a book to do that.

Paints...the key word here is temporary.Slavery will NOT exist in Gods kingdom.NOR will man run the show.Stuff like that has been allowed cos Satan raised the question in Eden and in Job.Time was needed to go off the clock to see where people stood.Yes those 2 commands Jesus gave set it up for all the other ones.You wont kill or steal from your neighbor if u love him.

How many of us love God when people cant even say his name?TEMPORARY.Jesus died once for all time.This will never happen again.Gods kingdom rules forever.To us it looks like forever.But 1 day with God is 1000 of our yrs.He is the alpha and omega.This has been only going on 6 days in his timetable.

This isnt the rel life our Creator had intended for us.He created mankind to live forever on earth as long as he loved and obeyed him.We all know the story.Rebellion in Eden.Challenges in Book of Job.Gods name smeared by Satan and all who follow him.God put out a seed <Jesus>that cured it to those that desire it.The earth taken care of by men and turning it into a paradise that was originally the goal.Under Gods guidance thru Jesus.

Not everyone will listen.Those that dont will NEVER exist again.There will be no more wars,hunger,sickness,dying in Gods new world.No greed.The former things have passed away after God cleanses the earth of the satanic rule on it now.The dead will be resurrected to hear the truth and decide what side they are on.1000 yr rein of Jesus after Armagheddon.Satan will be loosed again and still bring down many,Its described as the particles in sand.Then they will all be obliberated.NEVER again will this world have this kind of rulership or sin.We have the prospect of living forever in a world run by our Creator.Who will accept it?It takes more then these fool saying they accept Jesus as Lord and going to heaven.

[hitch0403]

Let me give a good example of what Satan accused Jehovah of.He made it sound like to Eve he was holding something better back from her.He then told God lemme turn Job into poverty and he will curse you.

Job proved the devil a liar.Jesus was even a better example what he went thru and kept his integrity.

Suppose you had a family and took very good care of them.Your neighbor starts spreading lies you arent worth a d*m and are a lousy parent.You know its a lie and probably wanna go kick his butt.But does that answer the question?It might even look like if u did that that the neighbor was right.So you let time go off the clock and everyone see the children really love you and are taken care of.

Exactly what Jehovah did.He was powerful enuff he could have gotten rid of A&E and Satan immediately but didnt.Time showed other rule apart from his doesnt work.How can anyone argue with mankinds history.

But many still will cos they wanna have that Hitler attitude.So guess what?They will die.

Exodus 9:16 16 But for this very reason I have kept you in existence: to show you my power and to have my name declared in all the earth.+

Can u imagine Pharoah said to Moses,who is Jehovah i should let his people go?That scripture shows Gods love and patience...but it also showed He was God when he buried Egypt in the sea....and found out his name the hard way.

[JediJohnnie]

Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”​—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.

Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told  Eve she would be better off doing?

Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.

"Choose you this day who you will serve."  Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...

Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.

Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.

Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.

Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.

Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible.  You said that.  I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.

You pound us with scripture to support your point of view.  Do you think we learn from that?

The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book. 

Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.

I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.

It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.

Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!

A weapon!!!LOL!!!

20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.

Jesus didn't have the bible. 

The bible is a crutch.  We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages.  We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war.  We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized. 

God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him.  The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom.  The gates are open to any who will come. 

At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.

I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.

What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.

Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.

I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification.  There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.

Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men." 

He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. 

You don't need a book to do that.

The problem you seem to have is the one I see from most agnostics, which is that you seem to equate things in the bible that were (for lack of a better term) 'necessary evils' with something God condones.

Things like slavery were not the same back then as it was in American history. It wasn't based in racism but financial reality. The same with things like war. Sometimes things need to happen regardless how ugly, for the survival of Mankind. 

One need only look at the Death of Jesus to see how such an ugly event was crucial for the salvation of Mankind. You can't miss the forest for the trees, to use an old cliche.

[JediJohnnie]

JJ u were doing well until you came to your 3rd line.

Why dont you explain to us all how the JWs is a man made religeon?Do yourself a favor and worry about your own nameless god.I honestly think ud make more sense if u were an atheist.Your Babylonish religeon as well as christendom support war and politics.Thats manmade.JWs adhere to the bible and DONT!!

Thru the yrs on here i have shown you reference from the bible what Gods name is,how Jesus is his begotten son,the trinity isnt biblically supported,man isnt an immortal soul,how the kingdom will be preached worldwide,what command Jesus said to obey on Passover......whew im getting tired.

For a change why dont YOU back up your beliefs like Xmas etc?You back-up nativity scenes when 2nd chaptor of Mark clearly shows Satan put the star in the sky and King Herod when on a murderous spree.I wouldnt be too proud to support many 2 yr olds being slaughtered.2nd chaptor of Math...scuse me.Oh but your bible doesnt portray that.Yours has The Little Drummer Boy playing for Jesus and getting smiled at.HAHA!!!




You are funny.JWs dont take part in political garbage and your Babylonish sect as well as the rest of christendom bows down to the UN when Jesus clearly says his kingdom is NO part of this world and Satan is your god.But yet u foolishly dispute that.There it is in BLACK and WHITE and u say JWs are man made...LOL

Why do bother to say rest in peace to those that die if they have an immortal soul?Makes no sense.Bible clearly explains what death is.And it ISNT life.DUST!!!

Math 22:31-32
31  Regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, who said: 32  ‘I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob’?a He is the God, not of the dead, but of the living.

Now here is your god

 Jesus Christ said of him: “That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him.” (Joh 8:44; 1Jo 3: Jesus here shows that Satan was once in the truth, but forsook it. Beginning with his first overt act in turning Adam and Eve away from God, he was a manslayer, for he thereby brought about the death of Adam and Eve, which, in turn, brought sin and death to their offspring. (Ro 5:12) Throughout the Scriptures the qualities and actions attributed to him could be attributed only to a person, not to an abstract principle of evil. It is clear that the Jews, and Jesus and his disciples, knew that Satan existed as a person.

Do us all a favor.From the bible truths just displayed keep your Babylonish BS to yourself.

Do you also believe that animals are in heaven when the bible says flesh and blood dont exist there?So simple...Jesus is my Lord even tho he says those that endure to the end will be saved.

I have made your name known said Jesus Re God.I have made " I ams"name known......LOOOOOOLL!!!

Stick with your fantasy world JJ.Your make believe garbage doesnt mix with bible truths.

Just a reminder,the pledge and standing before the flag is manmade.JWs dont.Half million died in Vietnam.JWs remain neutral.Half a miilion soldiers had no idea why they died in Vietnam and many thousand were injured physically and mentally and u have the nerve to say JWs is a manmade religeon when your worship of your flag caused that grief!!If they listening to Jesus words they wouldnt have risked their lives for that nonsense.They died for a manmade cause of nonsense.Wake up!!

JWs manmade?LOL!

Worship of idols and people are manmade.You getting this?Do u need to consult a piece of wood to address my questions?

I saw on Facebook earlier to donate to "Our Lady of Guadalupe"Ya cant make this stuff up!!What part of bible was she in?At least Mary was Jesus mom and the only good thing about her is we all know what the "Hail Mary"is in the NFL...but  many dont know Jesus is the ONLY mediator to God.

Ya gotta admit,Satan has done 1 heckuva job blinding many.But he wont be happy cos he couldnt do it to everyone.Many even died for the truth.

We've gone over this a million times, hitch. It's like talking to a brick wall, you've got your head so far in the JW grass it's hardly worthy to make the effort.

Just remember that ALL of the world's cults- be they Islam, Mormonism, JWs-- they ALL fail to find the God of the Bible because they try to explain the Trinity away by Man made doctrine. Unless you accept the Father, Son & Holy Ghost as the Triune God, you will be chasing Man Made doctrine till the cows come home. 

[hitch0403]

Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”​—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.

Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told  Eve she would be better off doing?

Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.

"Choose you this day who you will serve."  Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...

Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.

Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.

Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.

Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.

Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible.  You said that.  I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.

You pound us with scripture to support your point of view.  Do you think we learn from that?

The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book. 

Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.

I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.

It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.

Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!

A weapon!!!LOL!!!

20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.

Jesus didn't have the bible. 

The bible is a crutch.  We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages.  We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war.  We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized. 

God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him.  The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom.  The gates are open to any who will come. 

At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.

I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.

What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.

Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.

I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification.  There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.

Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men." 

He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. 

You don't need a book to do that.

The problem you seem to have is the one I see from most agnostics, which is that you seem to equate things in the bible that were (for lack of a better term) 'necessary evils' with something God condones.

Things like slavery were not the same back then as it was in American history. It wasn't based in racism but financial reality. The same with things like war. Sometimes things need to happen regardless how ugly, for the survival of Mankind. 

One need only look at the Death of Jesus to see how such an ugly event was crucial for the salvation of Mankind. You can't miss the forest for the trees, to use an old cliche.

You are quite wrong.If A&E and Satan didnt rebel Jesus DIDNT have to die.You make it sound like God intended it.He fixed the situation.He didnt start it.Wake up!!!

I remember your foolishness backing up Jesus birth which isnt a command by him in bible.Its his death.

You said if he wasnt born he couldnt die then.HAHA.

The seed God spoke of had to die.Its a Godly principal.Eye for an eye.God said Jesus became the Last Adam.Ransomed sin Adam caused.

Point being if he was born and lived for a zillion yrs on earth it woulda meant nothing like whats between your ears.
22   For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
1st Corinth 15:22

And you say things have to happen for the survival of mankind.Like what and from whom?Man????LOL!!!

If God never intervenes here the planet is doomed!But in your Babylonish way of thinking the good will die and go to heaven....LOL!!And the wicked will go to h*ll.

So why did God create man to die on the earth?Kinda silly to see that cycle go on for eternity.Man dies..goes to the spiritual realm while misery continues on earth.

You are too blind to be even blind!!

[hitch0403]

Trinity....LOL!!Not even mentioned in bible yet Jesus said the father is greater then i.And he was born twice and he was mortal cos he died.Jehovah always was.The alpha and omega.What i say is IN the bible.What you say is in your grass fields with the manure.Now go feed the cows.LOL!

[hitch0403]

Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”​—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.

Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told  Eve she would be better off doing?

Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.

"Choose you this day who you will serve."  Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...

Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.

Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.

Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.

Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.

Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible.  You said that.  I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.

You pound us with scripture to support your point of view.  Do you think we learn from that?

The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book. 

Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.

I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.

It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.

Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!

A weapon!!!LOL!!!

20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.

Jesus didn't have the bible. 

The bible is a crutch.  We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages.  We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war.  We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized. 

God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him.  The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom.  The gates are open to any who will come. 

At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.

I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.

What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.

Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.

I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification.  There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.

Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men." 

He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. 

You don't need a book to do that.

Paints im not quite clear why you have a problem with God using the bible?As you know <i think>its been around 1000s of yrs,translated into many languages,shown its divinity,and many have tried to destroy it and it stands the test of time hands down.

Did u know when the Israelites heard Gods voice they told Moses they were afraid of dying.They were scared.

Maybe another good reason the bible has 40 writers all in accord with themselves from what God wanted written down for us.

[hitch0403]

JJ i wanna make sure you understand me and i wanna be fair back to you.

First off.......Parents will let their children go thru a painful operation if it is going to help cure a condition.

So u say for the survival of mankind sometimes a terrible situation must happen....and u used Jesus death as an example.I understand exactly why God did that.First off it balanced the scales of justice...his perfect life for perfect life Adam threw away.Satans accusations RE Gods name come into play here too.EX rebellion in Eden and Satans lies there and in book of Job.

But if you are using your analogy to justify world wars for the American way You are too full of nationalism and if u think you have Gods approval this isnt what bible teaches.

The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom or governement with Jesus appointed king of by his father to bring peace and harmony to the universe and vindicate Jehovah as GOD!!!Of course it answers other questions and is a history book so we can learn from past experiences.EX how God felt with false worship in Moses day and that still stands today.

So the terrible death Jesus suffered NEVER woulda happened if A&E told Satan to take a hike.They never woulda had to die.The purpose was for the human famiily to live forever on earth and take care of his home with obedience to Jehovah as righteous & rightful ruler.

All the terrible things in this world such as war are manmade/satanic......why doo u think i emphasis Jesus saying his kingdom was NO part of this world?

You are blinded by Satan using nationalism as many are.Friendship with the world is enmity with God.James 4:4

As i saywhat i tell u is in bible.You support the constitution of the US more.

I dont know what your profession is.I hope you arent a cook.The way you concoct what goes on here,if u ever did that with food many would be sick.But its what to expect from Christendom.Jesus warned us about manmade doctrines.The people with the RIGHT heart conditions hear Jesus voice and obey and understand what he says.And Jesus always gave his father the credit for that.NEVER did he challenege Jehovah for being God and u and many are blinded my manmade trinity BS!!!Among other things.

[paints]

Paints if you dont support the bible why do u quote part of it?“Pray incessantly. In connection with everything give thanks.”​—1 Thessalonians 5:17, 18.

Or do i take it to mean you will decide for yourself what is good and bad as Satan told  Eve she would be better off doing?

Or do u just feel the bible is a book of fiction thats only been around 1000s of yrs as well as translated into many languages and shows its divinity by saying what will happen in the future?Even tho mankind and Satan have gone out of their way to get rid of it?With NOOOOOO results from their perspective.

"Choose you this day who you will serve."  Sounds like we have to decide for ourselves...

Man is wonderfully made.Freedom of choice we have.But we still have to use it right in order to have life.

Paints i am sure you have heard of Gods undeserved kindness.Do you know what that means?It means A&E DOOMED the human race by disobeying.If God had destroyed them right there mankind wouldnt exist.But Satan brought up an issue that had to be resolved.Would man be better off governing himself apart from God or not?Mans history has answered that question plus Jesus balanced the scales of justice ransoming his sinless life for a sinful one brought on by A&E.

Yes i know you said you dont support bible.But i do and my answers are based on it.Others read this too.Yours are based on just what you think as Satan claimed we would be better off doing.Again all you have to do is look at history and Know God had good intentions for his creation by governing us.He even went a step furthur and proved that love as he watched his dying son in agony die a brutal and undeserved death.

Hope u enjoy baking your bread at least.

Hitch, I never said I didn't support the bible.  You said that.  I will agree that I don't swallow it whole, and I don't use it as a weapon.

You pound us with scripture to support your point of view.  Do you think we learn from that?

The Word of God is a living Being, not a dead book. 

Paints,Jesus always referred to using the bible.WHY???Cos its Gods word and the truth.Yes many dont learn by it cos in plain english they dont want to.They even put Jesus to death...not because of lies...but cos of the truth.

I have no problem backing up what i say from what i learned.I understand many dont care too.I will say there are gonna be 450 views this month from the bible topic and i think much credit should go to JW.org.

It seems to me you support the bible in 1 breath and in another....ok ive had enuff u come across.As i said others read this too and hopefully learn from some of the issues Gods word is quite alive.Gods sees the heart of us all.No one is going to fool him.

Bible used as a weapon?LOL!!There are many that are tired of this world and wanna know why and if there is a God that cares.The bible answers that.Gods people in over 240 lands...a worldwide brotherhood....teaching and preaching millions of hrs FREEEE!!!

A weapon!!!LOL!!!

20 million will attend The Lords Evening meal next month 4/19.Go see for yourself what truth is and who Gods people REALLY are.

Jesus didn't have the bible. 

The bible is a crutch.  We use it to keep from seeking God, as if he can be contained within its' pages.  We use it to build churches in his name, while our brothers live on the street, in want. We use it to justify the subjugation of women, and the making of war.  We use it to justify locking children in cages because we are not willing to share what we have. It was used to justify slavery, and genocide, because 'we' are Gods' people.
That's weaponized. 

God is alive, and accessible to any who seek him.  The Kingdom of God is not an exclusive kingdom.  The gates are open to any who will come. 

At the risk of interjecting myself in here, Jesus did in fact have the Bible. He referred to the Old Testament many times.

I would disagree that the Bible is a crutch. It's God's instruction book for life.

What I would call a crutch is man made religion, like hitch's religion of choice, the JWs.

Too often, mankind refers to man made rules and authorities to give them a sense of security. But Jesus was less than receptive to legalism. It's not the 'religion' that save us, but our relationship with God.

I say crutch, in the sense of using it as justification.  There was slavery in the bible, so slavery is ok with God..there was war in the bible, so God is ok with war...Eve was deceived, so all women must be kept in check/controlled...that kind of thing.

Jesus had a problem with "doctrines and traditions of men." 

He said the whole of the law and the prophets were contained in two commands-to love God with your whole heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. 

You don't need a book to do that.

Paints im not quite clear why you have a problem with God using the bible?As you know <i think>its been around 1000s of yrs,translated into many languages,shown its divinity,and many have tried to destroy it and it stands the test of time hands down.

Did u know when the Israelites heard Gods voice they told Moses they were afraid of dying.They were scared.

Maybe another good reason the bible has 40 writers all in accord with themselves from what God wanted written down for us.

Hitch, I don't have a problem with God using the bible.  I have a problem with men using the bible to justify doing evil. 

Did you know there is a new translation of the bible being done?  It's called the Conservative Bible Project,  and their stated purpose for re-translation is to remove the "liberal bias" of the original. 

Do you think this is the first time someone didn't like what the bible said, and decided to change it? 

[hitch0403]

Paints now  lemme ask this so i understand what ur saying.UR saying slavery,wars etc exist because they are in the bible and men say if its in there its ok to do them or it?

On another note Gods name has caused much in translations.But there is NO doubt God wanted his name known and used to identify him from false Gods and being the TRUE God.

Do u beleive the God of the bible is the TRUE God?

Your thoughts on Jesus,Satan and the trinity?

Leave the bread recipes out.<wink>

Paints if some men wanna justify war and slavery <as 2 examples>being in the bible then they are foolish.As i said God regulated slavery,in his kingdom it wont exist.God justified war cos of man sinning against him.He always gave ample warning.He even used war to punish his people when they disobeyed.He always gave warning tho.Many examples in bible.The Ninevites repented and they were spared was destruction.Jonah was even disppointed they had repented.God taught him a lesson.Jehovah is very forgiving when he sees its in our heart.

JJ even supported Jesus apostles having their swords.There was a difference in them wearing them and using them as was seenwhen Jesus scolded Peter for using his.

There it is in black and white and foolish ones like JJ and Controversial girl dont get it...so they run under the bed when it hits them dead on.They are full of Nationalism...a tool of the devil.

I dont condone Bin Laden what he did.But what has the good ol USA done to other countries cos they wanna rule the world?

Half million soldiers died in Vietnam over what?NONSENSE!!!Can u blame Gods people for not standing for the flag,refusing political office or going in the service?

But i am not saying to disrespect it either.Pay your taxes,obey laws when they dont compromise Gods and be kind.

[JediJohnnie]

JJ i wanna make sure you understand me and i wanna be fair back to you.

First off.......Parents will let their children go thru a painful operation if it is going to help cure a condition.

So u say for the survival of mankind sometimes a terrible situation must happen....and u used Jesus death as an example.I understand exactly why God did that.First off it balanced the scales of justice...his perfect life for perfect life Adam threw away.Satans accusations RE Gods name come into play here too.EX rebellion in Eden and Satans lies there and in book of Job.

But if you are using your analogy to justify world wars for the American way You are too full of nationalism and if u think you have Gods approval this isnt what bible teaches.

The main theme of the bible is Gods kingdom or governement with Jesus appointed king of by his father to bring peace and harmony to the universe and vindicate Jehovah as GOD!!!Of course it answers other questions and is a history book so we can learn from past experiences.EX how God felt with false worship in Moses day and that still stands today.

So the terrible death Jesus suffered NEVER woulda happened if A&E told Satan to take a hike.They never woulda had to die.The purpose was for the human famiily to live forever on earth and take care of his home with obedience to Jehovah as righteous & rightful ruler.

All the terrible things in this world such as war are manmade/satanic......why doo u think i emphasis Jesus saying his kingdom was NO part of this world?

You are blinded by Satan using nationalism as many are.Friendship with the world is enmity with God.James 4:4

As i saywhat i tell u is in bible.You support the constitution of the US more.

I dont know what your profession is.I hope you arent a cook.The way you concoct what goes on here,if u ever did that with food many would be sick.But its what to expect from Christendom.Jesus warned us about manmade doctrines.The people with the RIGHT heart conditions hear Jesus voice and obey and understand what he says.And Jesus always gave his father the credit for that.NEVER did he challenege Jehovah for being God and u and many are blinded my manmade trinity BS!!!Among other things.

The problem I think both you and paints is having is that you try to broad brush war as inherently evil. If that were the case, God would not have commanded the Israelites to wage war on the evil nations. Some nations needed to be punished for their decadence, others because of the danger they possessed to Israel. It's NOT a sin to go to war if the cause be just.

It's something God has to allow due to our cursed creation, so it's not a part of His plan, but there is no sin in defending yourself from those who seek to kill/ enslave you. Have either of you ever seen the Lord of The Rings for Heaven sake? The Two Towers alone is a meditation on the necessity of defending oneself as a nation.   

[JediJohnnie]

Trinity....LOL!!Not even mentioned in bible yet Jesus said the father is greater then i.And he was born twice and he was mortal cos he died.Jehovah always was.The alpha and omega.What i say is IN the bible.What you say is in your grass fields with the manure.Now go feed the cows.LOL!

The CONCEPT of the Trinity is clearly codified in the bible. What else would you call it?

Again, I'll repeat the most elementary verses in the bible to display the equality of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit.

John 1:1-2 Before anything else existed,there was Christ, with God. He has always been alive and is himself God.
(Christ is co-eternal with God)

John 20:28-29 “My Lord and my God!” Thomas said.

 Then Jesus told him, “You believe because you have seen me. But blessed are those who haven’t seen me and believe anyway.”

(Thomas sees the Risen Christ, worships Him as God, Jesus accepts the worship)

John 10:30-31 I and the Father are one.”

 Then again the Jewish leaders picked up stones to kill him.

(Jesus identifies with being equal to the Father, the Jewish Leaders understand this and attempt to kill Him for making the statement.)

To say nothing of the Baptism of Jesus, where the Trinity is displayed as separate, distinct persons, despite being equal members of the Godhead.

 Mark 1:9-11 Then one day Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee, and was baptized by John there in the Jordan River. The moment Jesus came up out of the water, he saw the heavens open and the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove descending on him,  and a voice from heaven said, “You are my beloved Son; you are my Delight.”


So, again, meditate on these verses and ask why you can't accept a concept clearly taught in scripture. Is it because you're following a man made theology? If you go by Sola Scriptura the concept is very clear so even a child could understand.