If someone goes on how they feel instead of what their holy book says there going on about their own beliefs and not their God. You said God told us not to judge if he was good or not, however i'm not judging whether he was good or not, on going by one verse that says those lesser then John the baptist will go to heaven. David was clearly a good man but Acts 2:34 clearly says he didn't go to heaven.
Acts 2:34 reads 34 Actually David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand,
To use an Abraham's bosom limbo theory is to explain how people didn't go to hell(common grave) or hellfire according to christendom and still didn't go to heaven is pushing it a bit. Interestingly enough Job 14:13 doesn't use the word hell in most translations but uses the word grave or sheol. It also says God will protect him or conceal him, is this playing with text or does it mean God will protect some in hellfire?
If you read what I said, I said that g-d does not want us to judge including upon the afterlife. Any speculation about whether or not someone has ascended to heaven or gone to hell or merely died and is now in non-existence is judgment, and it is not for us to determine. I have no interest in speculation about the afterlife because it is not for me to know at this point in time. I will find out (or not find out) soon enough when I die. My interest lies in reading the holy books, interpreting them to the best of my ability, and living the best life I possibly can.
I will, though, speak up when I see someone making hasty and/or false judgments.
1. I'm not passing judgment the bible is, admittedly though I have to admit the bible saying those lesser then John the baptist doesn't automatically mean he didn't go to heaven according to the bible, though it's clear THE BIBLE NOT ME says David did not ascend to the heavens(meaning he didn't go to heaven)
Acts 2:34 reads 34 Actually David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand,
2. If you don't learn how the afterlife works in this life your going to believe every story about it not knowing if it's true or not. Essentially your going to fall for myths.
3. If the bibles saying something and i'm just showing you what it says is it me or the bible passing judgment for example GOD can't do two things lie and be a man, i'm I passing judgment on his own word(THE BIBLE) says he can't do those things?
Titus 1:2 Reads 2 upon the basis of a hope of the everlasting life which God, who cannot lie, promised before times long lasting,
Numbers 23:19 Reads
God is not a man that he should tell lies,
Neither a son of mankind that he should feel regret.
Has he himself said it and will he not do it,
And has he spoken and will he not carry it out?
Now I ask you again am I passing judgment on God when his own word says he can't lie and is not a man or even son of mankind(JESUS)??!!!
You are taking this scripture out of context, and what was happening at that time. Balak had gotten Balaam to try to curse Israel. The scripture was a "parable"(moral teachings) see verse 18. The parable was for Balak. God was saying (through Balaam), that He was not like Balak (man/sinful flesh), or that He should repent. Only sinful man needs to repent.....not God. God could NEVER be sinful flesh......He is God! Or like Balak, to bless or curse because he wanted to come against Israel. That the promises to Israel were unbreakable by God. The blessings upon Israel were not lies or empty promises, and they could not be broken because God spoke them, and established them forever.
Nest verse: Numbers 24:20 - Behold, I have received commandment to bless' and He hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it. (Balaam speaking). In other words, God could not reverse it because He established Israel forever. He made this promise and cannot lie as God.
You really need to take scriptures in their proper context and why they were written, what was happening, the dispensation of that happening, the times and customs of the day, etc.
The 144,000 are all Jews....not JW's (Jehovah Witnesses). Taken out of every tribe of Israel (12,000 for each tribe).....Revelation Chapter 7. It also references the redeemed in Chapters 9-10.
However....back to the topic of the thread: The Bible says none of us are good....not one. Even the righteousness of the righteous is as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6). It also says we are all as an unclean thing. We don't get good to come to God. We come to God to get good. Which, is a lifetime of work and submitting to God and His Word. Nobody can get to heaven by just doing good all the time. There is a plan of Salvation to follow and steps to take to be redeemed to be found worthy of heaven. Only God can make us worthy for Heaven. Man does not have it in himself to be worthy. God is the potter, and we are the clay.
So your agreeing that just being good doesn't guarantee that you go to heaven yes? Also you state that the numbers verse is a parable? Ok, let me get a verse where God actually says so ok?
Hosea 11:8-10 reads I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim:
for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
Here God himself says he is not man(flesh and blood human), his gender on the other hand if it is possible for spirits to have genders anyway will probably be male. Even if you scream OUT OF CONTEXT, it doesn't change the fact that God himself said he was
NOT MAN"The 144,000 are all Jews....not JW's (Jehovah Witnesses). Taken out of every tribe of Israel (12,000 for each tribe).....Revelation Chapter 7. It also references the redeemed in Chapters 9-10."
I'm sad you didn't get to read my comment on this here it is again, The article also starts out by saying only 144K JW's will be saved, I never once heard that only JW's were in the 144K in my whole entire life of studying with the witnesses, I was recently taught that it was between the person and God JW or not. Personally I feel i'll be saved(meaning I do believe in once saved always saved) whether i'm chosen to judge the world or if i'm chosen to be subject to Christs co-rulers in the future. On second note why so much emphasis on getting the ability to judge the world(born again) as being saved? Righteous overmuch?
Now off my comment, you said that Revelation 7 is talking about the 12 tribes of Israel, however even if I was to agree with you the 144K is from every tribe, tongue and nation TODAY!!!!
Revelation 5:9-10 reads . 9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
All the Jews were Hebrews, to say that only Hebrews where in every tribe, tongue and people and nation is stretching it.
The verse above is also in harmony with Galatians 3:28-29 which reads 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. 29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.
Also Romans 2:28-29 . 28 For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God.
More importantly though the majority of Jews rejected the messiah, the second most important being in the universe.
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