immigrants

[sigmapi1501]

Ahh... the internet.  A nice place where you can believe that people actually care what you think.

[debraleesparks]

Everybody in this country is a immigrant, except for the natives. Thee end....

The 'natives' crossed the Bering straight from china!!!That's why most natives look Asian.

[vangabhargavi]

Yeah I agree, we hardly find real americans. America is only country which has many immigrants I guess

[emerald6786]

This is the question that I want everyone to really think about. Is America really the land of the free? What Happened? If you look at it we're not really free. The Federal Government has made so many bad decisions to put us in a recession. They i'm sure will be difficult to get out of... And we can't blame the new President for this mishap, it was already in effect when he arrived in the white house. It's not fair for everyone to lay the blame on him, when he's trying very hard to make the right choices. He's really not making all the decisions by himself. He has other individuals in his administrations that he must inform about his decisions and if they don't agree then he can't do anything. Everyone must agree. Let's see Gov. Patterson, it was a big mistake to put his in Albany. He's made decision that caused New York to go bankrupt, his tax cuts on Education, healthcare, MTA,everything that we need in this community to provide for our families. What's next?
Anyway, immigration laws should be enforced and more strict, to ensure safety in our country. Fairness and equal opportunity should be something important to consider.

[lvstephanie]

I am now dumber for reading this whole thing. Easily the funniest thing said in this forum was my post on page 3.  The chick that dressed up like a cat for her picture is as dumb as the conservative talk radio show host that she gets her talking points from.

I am now more stupid for reading your comment... Instead of bringing up actual evidence to refute someone in a debate, you just resort to character assassination of a person's avatar. At least Cuppycake (yes, I'm at least smart enough to figure out her name), posts actual transcripts of the laws into the discussion.

And, BTW, Cuppycake has not really given what is considered to be a "talking points" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_point)... Talking points are usually short statements given without much substantive evidence used to attack the opposing view. However, Cuppycake has gone beyond that to actually recite the entire Arizona law so that people can read it for themselves and form their own rational opinion about it. If she were just to scoff and say people should read the bill (without actually doing so herself), then I could see where you'd consider that to be a "talking point".  In fact, saying that Cuppycake's arguments are just conservative talk show talking point is actually a talking point in itself; instead of quoting her and showing how it is just a talking point (perhaps by even quoting conservative talk shows and/or blog sites and showing the similarity in the rhetoric) you just make a claim that her arguments are "talking points" hoping that your assertion is enough to validate your claim and thereby invalidate her arguments.

In fact, your comment commits several logical fallacies, a tactic that is common for those that cannot logically argue a side in a debate or in rhetorical propiganda. Ad hominem attack of Cuppycake's avatar as being reason to dismiss her claims; ad populum attack and guilt by association to associate her claims with conservative talk radio, which has already been demonized by left wing propaganda and other forms of media threatened by their competitor's success, so as to appeal to people's sense of being in the community of "enlightened people, instead of idiotic conservative talk-radio listeners"; obfuscation by incorrectly using the term "talking points" to criticize her arguments as being invalid because they are "talking points" without actually defining the term and/or explaining how they are indeed just "talking points". (I'm also wondering how a person that physically cannot speak (ie "dumb") can be on talk radio...)

Note that this post has nothing to do with the topic of immigration (I don't want anyone to accuse me of committing the fallacies of "proof by verbosity" or obfuscation). I just wanted to point this out so that we can have a rational discussion about a very current topic instead of one that deteriorates into a bunch of name-calling and inane attacks.

[sigmapi1501]

I am now dumber for reading this whole thing. Easily the funniest thing said in this forum was my post on page 3.  The chick that dressed up like a cat for her picture is as dumb as the conservative talk radio show host that she gets her talking points from.

I am now more stupid for reading your comment... Instead of bringing up actual evidence to refute someone in a debate, you just resort to character assassination of a person's avatar. At least Cuppycake (yes, I'm at least smart enough to figure out her name), posts actual transcripts of the laws into the discussion.

And, BTW, Cuppycake has not really given what is considered to be a "talking points" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_point)... Talking points are usually short statements given without much substantive evidence used to attack the opposing view. However, Cuppycake has gone beyond that to actually recite the entire Arizona law so that people can read it for themselves and form their own rational opinion about it. If she were just to scoff and say people should read the bill (without actually doing so herself), then I could see where you'd consider that to be a "talking point".  In fact, saying that Cuppycake's arguments are just conservative talk show talking point is actually a talking point in itself; instead of quoting her and showing how it is just a talking point (perhaps by even quoting conservative talk shows and/or blog sites and showing the similarity in the rhetoric) you just make a claim that her arguments are "talking points" hoping that your assertion is enough to validate your claim and thereby invalidate her arguments.

In fact, your comment commits several logical fallacies, a tactic that is common for those that cannot logically argue a side in a debate or in rhetorical propiganda. Ad hominem attack of Cuppycake's avatar as being reason to dismiss her claims; ad populum attack and guilt by association to associate her claims with conservative talk radio, which has already been demonized by left wing propaganda and other forms of media threatened by their competitor's success, so as to appeal to people's sense of being in the community of "enlightened people, instead of idiotic conservative talk-radio listeners"; obfuscation by incorrectly using the term "talking points" to criticize her arguments as being invalid because they are "talking points" without actually defining the term and/or explaining how they are indeed just "talking points". (I'm also wondering how a person that physically cannot speak (ie "dumb") can be on talk radio...)

Note that this post has nothing to do with the topic of immigration (I don't want anyone to accuse me of committing the fallacies of "proof by verbosity" or obfuscation). I just wanted to point this out so that we can have a rational discussion about a very current topic instead of one that deteriorates into a bunch of name-calling and inane attacks.

This was too long, I didn't read it all. But from the little bit I did read I can tell that you got picked on a lot in school.

[sigmapi1501]

 At least Cuppycake (yes, I'm at least smart enough to figure out her name)

I'm guessing that is NOT her real name.

[jorhea]

Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is
like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'

[sigmapi1501]

Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is
like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'

Yes. It's EXACTLY the same thing. You're an idiot.

[jorhea]

Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is
like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'

Yes. It's EXACTLY the same thing. You're an idiot.

You may want to keep this rule in mind before you answer like that again.

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This one is pretty obvious. This means NO flaming, NO derogatory remarks to other members or staff. I know it is an online forum, but behind everyone's screen name is a real human with real feelings. So please respect everyone, even if you do not agree with them, or get along with them.

What if I break this rule? You will be banned for a minimum of 14 days and in a severe case your FusionCash account will be closed and all money will be forfeited.

[sigmapi1501]

Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is
like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'

Yes. It's EXACTLY the same thing. You're an idiot.

You may want to keep this rule in mind before you answer like that again.

1. Observe the golden rule -- Treat others as you would like to be treated

This one is pretty obvious. This means NO flaming, NO derogatory remarks to other members or staff. I know it is an online forum, but behind everyone's screen name is a real human with real feelings. So please respect everyone, even if you do not agree with them, or get along with them.

What if I break this rule? You will be banned for a minimum of 14 days and in a severe case your FusionCash account will be closed and all money will be forfeited.

I do not feel this remark is derogatory. I feel that person that makes a comments as such has a high probability of being an idiot. An idiot is not a derogatory term. I am simply implying or flat out stating that I feel your intelligence is less than average.  It probably is. There is nothing wrong with that.

Plus.. your comment was full of hate and ignorance. There is nothing wrong with that??? But if I call you on it there is? Backwards. if you're gonna bash an entire group of people, have at least thick enough skin to be questioned about it.